{"id":5658,"date":"2012-02-22T22:34:46","date_gmt":"2012-02-23T03:34:46","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/?p=5658"},"modified":"2012-02-22T22:39:07","modified_gmt":"2012-02-23T03:39:07","slug":"stanlee","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/2012\/02\/22\/stanlee\/","title":{"rendered":"A visit with the Fantastic Four (plus a special appearance by Stan Lee!)"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>And lo, there shall be an ending!<\/p>\n<p>Over the past two weeks, I&#8217;ve shared  scans from a folder of Marvel Comics character write-ups I found in 1975 wedged between drawers in a Bullpen file cabinet. They all included suggestions for which celebrities you should think of when reading the word balloons belonging to your favorite superheroes. One set (<a href=\"http:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/2012\/02\/11\/did-stan-lee-think-cyclops-should-sound-like-anthony-perkins\/\">the X-Men<\/a>) I published in an issue of <a href=\"http:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/editing\/foom\/\"><em>FOOM<\/em><\/a>, the others (<a href=\"http:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/2012\/02\/12\/so-which-actor-was-supposed-to-come-to-mind-when-you-heard-the-voice-of-captain-america\/\">Captain America<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/2012\/02\/13\/close-your-eyes-think-of-thor-which-famous-actors-voice-do-you-hear\/\">Thor<\/a>, the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/2012\/02\/14\/so-what-famous-voice-did-stan-lee-think-should-come-out-of-the-sub-mariners-mouth\/\">Sub-Mariner<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/2012\/02\/15\/now-its-time-to-guess-which-celebrity-doctor-strange-is-supposed-to-sound-like-in-your-head\/\">Doctor Strange<\/a>, the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/2012\/02\/18\/and-the-incredible-hulk-is-meant-to-sound-like-huh-are-you-sure\/\">Hulk<\/a>,  <a href=\"http:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/2012\/02\/19\/spider-man\/\">Spider-Man<\/a>, and <a href=\"http:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/2012\/02\/20\/so-where-was-iron-man-wounded-again\/\">Iron Man<\/a>) went unseen until I posted them on this blog. <\/p>\n<p>Now here comes the final such write-up, on the Fantastic Four.<\/p>\n<p>But before you click through to check it out, pause for a moment and try to imagine\u2014who did Marvel think Reed Richards was supposed to sound like? And how about Ben Grimm and the rest? Got a name? OK, then go for it!<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/02\/FantasticFourStan1.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-5659\" title=\"FantasticFourStan1\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/02\/FantasticFourStan1-232x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"232\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/02\/FantasticFourStan1-232x300.jpg 232w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/02\/FantasticFourStan1-793x1024.jpg 793w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/02\/FantasticFourStan1.jpg 1700w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 232px) 100vw, 232px\" \/><\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/02\/FantasticFourStan2.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-5660\" title=\"FantasticFourStan2\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/02\/FantasticFourStan2-230x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"230\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/02\/FantasticFourStan2-230x300.jpg 230w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/02\/FantasticFourStan2-788x1024.jpg 788w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/02\/FantasticFourStan2.jpg 1700w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 230px) 100vw, 230px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Did you come close? Whether  you did or not, I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;re wondering\u2014who wrote these? And why?<\/p>\n<p>Because of the clues contained in these sheets, I was fairly certain they could not have  been written any later than 1965, and therefore there were few possible culprits. I suspected  Stan Lee, though  my Bullpen peers offered up a few other names, such as Stan&#8217;s brother, Larry Leiber, or Superman co-creator Jerry Siegel, who worked briefly for Marvel in the early days.<\/p>\n<p>But why merely speculate, you might ask? Why not reach out to Stan himself?<\/p>\n<p>And that&#8217;s exactly what I did.<!--more--><\/p>\n<p>Luckily, &#8220;The Man&#8221; is Internet-savvy, and I (to my great surprise) heard back within hours of shooting him a query. <\/p>\n<p>Here&#8217;s what he had to say:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>I THINK I wrote it.  It looks like my typing.  But I can&#8217;t swear to it.  Did you ask Roy Thomas?  He&#8217;s better at recognizing stuff than I am.<\/p>\n<p>I just wouldn&#8217;t wanna testify to something that I&#8217;m not sure of.  I&#8217;d say there&#8217;s a 75% chance that I wrote it.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>So what did &#8220;Rascally&#8221; Roy have to add to that?<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>That&#8217;s good enough for me.  I put the odds at anyone else writing at one out of ten, at best&#8230; probably closer to 1 out of 100.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>But that still doesn&#8217;t answer the question&#8212;<em>why<\/em> were these written? <\/p>\n<p>My best guess&#8212;based on a) when and where these were found, b) when I thought they were written according to  clues within the character timelines, and c) which characters were chosen&#8212;was that these couldn&#8217;t have been put together any later than 1965, which would be in sync with them having been either guides or sales sheets relating to the <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/The_Marvel_Super_Heroes\">1966 <em>Marvel Super Heroes<\/em> <\/a>cartoon show.<\/p>\n<p>I still get goose bumps from that immortal theme song.<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" width=\"420\" height=\"315\" src=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/K3g0tzgIezY?rel=0\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>I asked Stan whether there was a connection between these write-ups and that series, and if there was wasn&#8217;t, what other reason he might have had for writing them. And he said:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Sorry, Scott, your guess is as good as (probably better) than mine.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>There you have it. I&#8217;m not 100% sure that my guess is correct &#8230; but I&#8217;m confident.  And unless someone goes through the files of the defunct <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Grantray-Lawrence_Animation\">Grantray-Lawrence Animation<\/a>, the company that assembled the series, and finds a smoking gun in the form of its own copies of these, it&#8217;s unlikely we&#8217;ll ever know for sure. Take it all with whatever size grain of salt you deem necessary.<\/p>\n<p>Thanks, Stan!<\/p>\n<p>And, as always&#8212;Excelsior!<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>And lo, there shall be an ending! Over the past two weeks, I&#8217;ve shared scans from a folder of Marvel Comics character write-ups I found in 1975 wedged between drawers in a Bullpen file cabinet. 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