{"id":39599,"date":"2026-10-16T08:37:47","date_gmt":"2026-10-16T12:37:47","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/?p=39599"},"modified":"2026-10-16T08:37:47","modified_gmt":"2026-10-16T12:37:47","slug":"martha-wells","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/2026\/10\/16\/martha-wells\/","title":{"rendered":"Savor Shao Mai with Martha Wells in Episode 295 of Eating the Fantastic"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Eating the Fantastic&#8217;s Worldcon began Thursday as many were still arriving in Anaheim for our found family&#8217;s annual gathering when I headed off to lunch with <a href=\"https:\/\/www.marthawells.com\">Martha Wells<\/a>, who due to the astounding success of her stories set in the  Murderbot universe has become well-known even outside the science fiction and fantasy community.<\/p>\n<p>But Martha is so much more than that. She\u2019s written multiple fantasy series, including\u00a0<em>Ile-Rien<\/em>,\u00a0<em>Books of the Raksura<\/em>, the <em>Rising World<\/em> series, and the Young Adult\u00a0<em>Emilie<\/em>, in addition to standalone fantasy novels, as well as books in the <em>Star Wars<\/em> and <em>Stargate<\/em> universes. She\u2019s won four Hugo Awards for her writing, plus shared in a fifth this year when &#8220;All Systems Red,&#8221; an episode of Murderbot which aired on Apple TV, won Dramatic Presentation: Short Form. Plus she was on the this year\u2019s Hugo Awards ballot for her novelette &#8220;Rapport: Friendship, Solidarity, Communion, Empathy.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/MarthaWellsEatingtheFantastic.jpeg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/MarthaWellsEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-39601\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/MarthaWellsEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpeg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/MarthaWellsEatingtheFantastic-1024x1024.jpeg 1024w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/MarthaWellsEatingtheFantastic-150x150.jpeg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/MarthaWellsEatingtheFantastic-768x768.jpeg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/MarthaWellsEatingtheFantastic-1536x1536.jpeg 1536w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/MarthaWellsEatingtheFantastic-2048x2048.jpeg 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>She\u2019s also won two Nebula Awards and a Dragon Award, and has been a finalist\u00a0for the Philip K. Dick\u00a0Award, the Ignyte\u00a0Award, the World Fantasy Award, and others. And it should never be forgotten she was first a fan \u2014 she was even chair of\u00a0AggieCon\u00a017 during her college days \u2014 which you\u2019ll hear us talk about this episode.<\/p>\n<p>We discussed how Imposter Syndrome never truly goes away, the way <em>Starlog<\/em> introduced her to fandom, which novel allowed her to discover her own voice, why it took &#8220;hundred of drafts&#8221; to figure out where she was heading with the first book in her <em>Rising World<\/em> series, the surprising benefits of pantsing novels, her ease in bouncing back and forth between series, which Murderbot plot demanded the existence of a character who wasn&#8217;t originally intended to be in the story, Bruce Sterling&#8217;s workshop advice which helped her with descriptions, whether there&#8217;s any difference between the audience reading her fantasy all along and those brought in by the recent success of her science fiction, the period her writing career stalled and she thought of becoming a personal trainer, how she decides which should be the next Murderbot tale to tell, why she was moved to write a story for the Tanith Lee tribute anthology, how COVID-19 affected her writing output, the advice she&#8217;d give her younger self (as well as those just starting out), plus much more.<\/p>\n<p>Here\u2019s how you can join us at  <a href=\"https:\/\/dtf.com\/en-us\/locations\/anaheim\">Din Tai Fung <\/a>        &#8212; <!--more--><\/p>\n<p>1) Subscribe at <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/eating-the-fantastic\/id1083737796?mt=2\">Apple Podcasts<\/a> &#8212; or <a href=\"https:\/\/pod.link\/1083737796\">wherever<\/a> you choose to consume your podcasts &#8212; where I hope you&#8217;ll be tempted to sample a few of the 294 previous episodes.<\/p>\n<p>2) Listen via the RSS feed of <a href=\"http:\/\/eatingthefantastic.libsyn.com\/rss\">http:\/\/eatingthefantastic.libsyn.com\/rss<\/a> on the device of your choice.<\/p>\n<p>3) Or simply use the embed below.<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Libsyn Player\" style=\"border: none\" src=\"\/\/html5-player.libsyn.com\/embed\/episode\/id\/43312464\/height\/240\/theme\/legacy\/thumbnail\/yes\/direction\/backward\/\" height=\"240\" width=\"100%\" scrolling=\"no\"  allowfullscreen webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen oallowfullscreen msallowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>Here&#8217;s what you would have seen us nibbling had you been with us at  <a href=\"https:\/\/dtf.com\/en-us\/locations\/anaheim\">Din Tai Fung <\/a>      &#8212;   <\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Soy Noodle Salad<\/strong><br \/>\n<em>thin sheets of tofu carefully sliced to mimic noodles<br \/>\nand tossed with julienned carrots and celery for a bit of crunch<\/em><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/SoyNoodleSaladEatingtheFantastic-.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/SoyNoodleSaladEatingtheFantastic--300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-39625\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/SoyNoodleSaladEatingtheFantastic--300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/SoyNoodleSaladEatingtheFantastic--1024x1024.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/SoyNoodleSaladEatingtheFantastic--150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/SoyNoodleSaladEatingtheFantastic--768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/SoyNoodleSaladEatingtheFantastic--1536x1536.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/SoyNoodleSaladEatingtheFantastic--2048x2048.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Taiwanese Cabbage with Garlic<\/strong><br \/>\n<em>crisp, sweet Taiwanese cabbage tossed over high heat with freshly sliced garlic <\/em><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/TaiwaneseCabbagewithGarlicEatingtheFantastic-.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/TaiwaneseCabbagewithGarlicEatingtheFantastic--300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-39630\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/TaiwaneseCabbagewithGarlicEatingtheFantastic--300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/TaiwaneseCabbagewithGarlicEatingtheFantastic--1024x1024.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/TaiwaneseCabbagewithGarlicEatingtheFantastic--150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/TaiwaneseCabbagewithGarlicEatingtheFantastic--768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/TaiwaneseCabbagewithGarlicEatingtheFantastic--1536x1536.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/TaiwaneseCabbagewithGarlicEatingtheFantastic--2048x2048.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Kurobuta Pork Xiao Long Bao<\/strong><br \/>\n<em>stuffed with top-quality Kurobuta pork marinated in a blend of carefully-selected seasonings paired with  fresh ginger and green onion<\/em><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/PorkLongBaoEatingtheFantastic.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/PorkLongBaoEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-39637\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/PorkLongBaoEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/PorkLongBaoEatingtheFantastic-1024x1024.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/PorkLongBaoEatingtheFantastic-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/PorkLongBaoEatingtheFantastic-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/PorkLongBaoEatingtheFantastic-1536x1536.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/PorkLongBaoEatingtheFantastic-2048x2048.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Shrimp &#038; Kurobuta Pork Shao Mai<\/strong><br \/>\n<em>hand-folded shao mai, topped with juicy shrimp<\/em><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/ShrimpandPorkShaoMaiEatingtheFantastic.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/ShrimpandPorkShaoMaiEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-39638\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/ShrimpandPorkShaoMaiEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/ShrimpandPorkShaoMaiEatingtheFantastic-1024x1024.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/ShrimpandPorkShaoMaiEatingtheFantastic-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/ShrimpandPorkShaoMaiEatingtheFantastic-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/ShrimpandPorkShaoMaiEatingtheFantastic-1536x1536.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/ShrimpandPorkShaoMaiEatingtheFantastic-2048x2048.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Shaved Snow with Fresh Mango<\/strong><br \/>\n<em>soft, fluffy shaved snow made with whole milk, crowned with fresh mango<br \/>\nand a drizzle of sweet &#038; tart mango sauce and creamy condensed milk<\/em><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/ShavedSnowEatingtheFantastic.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/ShavedSnowEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-39623\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/ShavedSnowEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/ShavedSnowEatingtheFantastic-1024x1024.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/ShavedSnowEatingtheFantastic-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/ShavedSnowEatingtheFantastic-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/ShavedSnowEatingtheFantastic-1536x1536.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/ShavedSnowEatingtheFantastic-2048x2048.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Red Bean &#038; Mochi Xiao Long Bao<\/strong><br \/>\n<em>red bean paste folded into  Xiao Long Bao skin with a thin layer of mochi<\/em><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/RedBeanMochiLongBaoEatingtheFantastic-.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/RedBeanMochiLongBaoEatingtheFantastic--300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-39628\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/RedBeanMochiLongBaoEatingtheFantastic--300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/RedBeanMochiLongBaoEatingtheFantastic--1024x1024.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/RedBeanMochiLongBaoEatingtheFantastic--150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/RedBeanMochiLongBaoEatingtheFantastic--768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/RedBeanMochiLongBaoEatingtheFantastic--1536x1536.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/RedBeanMochiLongBaoEatingtheFantastic--2048x2048.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>If you enjoyed this episode and want to support my mission of breaking bread  with creators of the fantastic while letting you eavesdrop, there are several ways you can help bring this podcast to the attention of potential new listeners looking for science fiction, fantasy, horror, and comics ear candy \u2014<\/p>\n<p>One is to <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/eating-the-fantastic\/id1083737796?mt=2\">rate Eating the Fantastic on Apple Podcasts<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/eatingthefantastic\/?fref=ts\">like it on Facebook<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Also \u2014 you could tell your friends about the show by sending them a link to your favorite episode and letting them know what I\u2019m doing here.<\/p>\n<p>Finally \u2014 I hope you\u2019ll consider becoming a supporter of Eating the Fantastic, and help this podcast continue.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>You could make a small recurring monthly donation over at <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/eatingthefantastic\">Patreon<\/a>, where there are various perks involved depending on your level of support, such as access to a patrons-only blog, getting a shout-out on the show, stickers, postcards, and more.<\/p>\n<p>Or if an ongoing level of commitment\u2019s not for you, or if Patreon\u2019s just not your thing, then consider tossing a couple of bucks in the tip jar instead and making a one-time donation of any size via <a href=\"https:\/\/www.paypal.me\/eatingthefantastic\">Paypal.me<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Or you could head on over to <a href=\"https:\/\/ko-fi.com\/eatingthefantastic\">https:\/\/ko-fi.com\/eatingthefantastic<\/a> and send me the funds to cover the cost of a cup of coffee.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Coming up next on the podcast will be another conversation from this year\u2019s L.A. Worldcon, as you join my dinner with Thomas Ha, who just a few nights after our chat would win a Hugo Award for his short story &#8220;In My Country.&#8221; I hope you\u2019ll subscribe and join us.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Eating the Fantastic&#8217;s Worldcon began Thursday as many were still arriving in Anaheim for our found family&#8217;s annual gathering when I headed off to lunch with Martha Wells, who due to the astounding success of her stories set in the Murderbot universe has become well-known even outside the science fiction and fantasy community. 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