{"id":39525,"date":"2026-10-02T07:35:43","date_gmt":"2026-10-02T11:35:43","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/?p=39525"},"modified":"2026-10-02T07:35:43","modified_gmt":"2026-10-02T11:35:43","slug":"john-wiswell-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/2026\/10\/02\/john-wiswell-2\/","title":{"rendered":"Chow down on a chicken sandwich with John Wiswell on Episode 294 of Eating the Fantastic"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I <a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/2021\/07\/16\/john-wiswell\/\">last chatted<\/a> with John Wiswell the same month he won a Nebula Award for his short story &#8220;Open House on Haunted Hill,&#8221; which had been published the previous year in <em>Diabolical Plots<\/em>. He\u2019d only released highly regarded short fiction at that point, but oh, how his life has changed since then &#8212; for <em>The Dragon Has Some Complaints<\/em>, published just a few days before this followup lunch conversation, was in that brief span of time, his third. <\/p>\n<p>His first novel,\u00a0<em>Someone You Can Build a Nest In<\/em>, was nominated for both the Hugo and Nebula award, winning the latter, and his second novel, <em>Wearing the Lion<\/em>, was also a Nebula Award finalist.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/JohnWiswell2EatingtheFantastic.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/JohnWiswell2EatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-39527\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/JohnWiswell2EatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/JohnWiswell2EatingtheFantastic-1024x1024.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/JohnWiswell2EatingtheFantastic-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/JohnWiswell2EatingtheFantastic-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/JohnWiswell2EatingtheFantastic-1536x1536.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/JohnWiswell2EatingtheFantastic-2048x2048.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>We discussed why his book tour&#8217;s stop at the Strand was so meaningful, how publishing three novels has changed him, why he&#8217;s &#8220;a character guy first&#8221; before world-building, theme, or plot, the importance of getting out of your own way, how monstrosity is nothing more than a social construct, why his writing process includes only the most skeletal of outlines, the most fun thing about writing secondary world fantasies, how our lives being finite is both terrifying and good, why the original title of <em>The Dragon Has No Complaints<\/em> only lasted three days, the techniques it took to convince readers to believe in the book&#8217;s unique method of dragon flight, who he had to grow into to be able to pull off this novel, our shared love of ornate titles, how we felt about<em> The Bear<\/em>&#8216;s final season, plus much more.<\/p>\n<p>Here\u2019s how you can join us in Baltimore at  <a href=\"https:\/\/www.tambersrestaurant.com\">Tamber&#8217;s restaurant <\/a>      &#8212; <!--more--><\/p>\n<p>1) Subscribe at <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/eating-the-fantastic\/id1083737796?mt=2\">Apple Podcasts<\/a> &#8212; or <a href=\"https:\/\/pod.link\/1083737796\">wherever<\/a> you choose to consume your podcasts &#8212; where I hope you&#8217;ll be tempted to sample a few of the 293 previous episodes.<\/p>\n<p>2) Listen via the RSS feed of <a href=\"http:\/\/eatingthefantastic.libsyn.com\/rss\">http:\/\/eatingthefantastic.libsyn.com\/rss<\/a> on the device of your choice.<\/p>\n<p>3) Or simply use the embed below.<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Libsyn Player\" style=\"border: none\" src=\"\/\/html5-player.libsyn.com\/embed\/episode\/id\/43064293\/height\/240\/theme\/legacy\/thumbnail\/yes\/direction\/backward\/\" height=\"240\" width=\"100%\" scrolling=\"no\"  allowfullscreen webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen oallowfullscreen msallowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>Here&#8217;s what you would have seen us nibbling had you been with us at  <a href=\"https:\/\/www.tambersrestaurant.com\">Tamber&#8217;s restaurant <\/a>      &#8212;   <\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>John&#8217;s Chicken Sandwich<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/WiswellSandwich.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/WiswellSandwich-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-39532\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/WiswellSandwich-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/WiswellSandwich-1024x1024.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/WiswellSandwich-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/WiswellSandwich-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/WiswellSandwich-1536x1536.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/WiswellSandwich-2048x2048.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Scott&#8217;s Burger <\/strong><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/ScottsBurgerwithJohn.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/ScottsBurgerwithJohn-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-39533\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/ScottsBurgerwithJohn-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/ScottsBurgerwithJohn-1024x1024.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/ScottsBurgerwithJohn-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/ScottsBurgerwithJohn-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/ScottsBurgerwithJohn-1536x1536.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/ScottsBurgerwithJohn-2048x2048.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>John with a dragon fruit<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/JohnWiswellDragonFruit.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/JohnWiswellDragonFruit-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-39597\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/JohnWiswellDragonFruit-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/JohnWiswellDragonFruit-1024x1024.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/JohnWiswellDragonFruit-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/JohnWiswellDragonFruit-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/JohnWiswellDragonFruit-1536x1536.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/JohnWiswellDragonFruit-2048x2048.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>If you enjoyed this episode and want to support my mission of breaking bread  with creators of the fantastic while letting you eavesdrop, there are several ways you can help bring this podcast to the attention of potential new listeners looking for science fiction, fantasy, horror, and comics ear candy \u2014<\/p>\n<p>One is to <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/eating-the-fantastic\/id1083737796?mt=2\">rate Eating the Fantastic on Apple Podcasts<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/eatingthefantastic\/?fref=ts\">like it on Facebook<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Also \u2014 you could tell your friends about the show by sending them a link to your favorite episode and letting them know what I\u2019m doing here.<\/p>\n<p>Finally \u2014 I hope you\u2019ll consider becoming a supporter of Eating the Fantastic, and help this podcast continue.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>You could make a small recurring monthly donation over at <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/eatingthefantastic\">Patreon<\/a>, where there are various perks involved depending on your level of support, such as access to a patrons-only blog, getting a shout-out on the show, stickers, postcards, and more.<\/p>\n<p>Or if an ongoing level of commitment\u2019s not for you, or if Patreon\u2019s just not your thing, then consider tossing a couple of bucks in the tip jar instead and making a one-time donation of any size via <a href=\"https:\/\/www.paypal.me\/eatingthefantastic\">Paypal.me<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Or you could head on over to <a href=\"https:\/\/ko-fi.com\/eatingthefantastic\">https:\/\/ko-fi.com\/eatingthefantastic<\/a> and send me the funds to cover the cost of a cup of coffee.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Coming up next on the podcast will be the first of a run of four episodes from this year\u2019s L.A. Worldcon, beginning with Martha Wells, who was part of the creative team winning the Best Dramatic Presentation: Short Form Hugo Award that weekend for the adaptation of her  Murderbot novella <em>All Systems Red<\/em>. But she is so much more than Murderbot, and I hope you\u2019ll join us for a meal which spotlights all her multifaceted marvelousness.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I last chatted with John Wiswell the same month he won a Nebula Award for his short story &#8220;Open House on Haunted Hill,&#8221; which had been published the previous year in Diabolical Plots. 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