{"id":38765,"date":"2026-04-10T09:16:46","date_gmt":"2026-04-10T13:16:46","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/?p=38765"},"modified":"2026-04-10T09:16:46","modified_gmt":"2026-04-10T13:16:46","slug":"alan-smale","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/2026\/04\/10\/alan-smale\/","title":{"rendered":"Tear into tacos with Alan Smale in Episode 279 of Eating the Fantastic"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Seven years, one month, and 15 days before the meal on which you&#8217;re about to eavesdrop, <a href=\"https:\/\/alansmale.com\/index.shtml\">Alan Smale<\/a> and I got together to chat about his <em>Clash of Eagles<\/em> trilogy. Now that he&#8217;s completed yet another trilogy, we decided to grab lunch during Awesome Con to discuss how his <em>Apollo Rising<\/em> books came to be.<\/p>\n<p>Smale writes alternate history and hard SF. His novella of a Roman invasion of ancient America, &#8220;A Clash of Eagles&#8221;, won the 2010 Sidewise Award for Alternate History, and his series of novels set in the same universe, <em>Clash of Eagles<\/em> (2015), <em>Eagle in Exile<\/em> (2016), and <em>Eagle and Empire<\/em> (2017), are available from Del Rey (US) and Titan Books (UK and Europe). His Roman baseball collaboration with Rick Wilber, <em>The Wandering Warriors<\/em>, came out from WordFire Press (2020), and <em>Hot Moon<\/em>, his alternate-Apollo &#8220;technothriller with heart,&#8221; set entirely on and around the Moon, was launched by CAEZIK SF &#038; Fantasy in July 2022, followed by sequel <em>Radiant Sky <\/em>in November 2024 and the concluding volume in the <em>Apollo Rising<\/em> series, <em>Burning Night<\/em>, in November 2025.<\/p>\n<p>Smale has also sold over fifty pieces of shorter fiction to <em>Asimov\u2019s<\/em> and other magazines and original anthologies. His short story, &#8220;Gunpowder Treason,&#8221; set in London in 1605, the lead story in <em>Tales from Alternate Earths Vol. III<\/em> from Inklings Press, won the 2021 Sidewise Award. His non-fiction essays have appeared in <em>Lightspeed<\/em> and <em>Journey Plane<\/em>t, and he wrote a regular column about scientific and historical turning points for <em>Galaxy\u2019s Edge<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/AlanSmaleReturnEatingtheFantastic.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/AlanSmaleReturnEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-38766\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/AlanSmaleReturnEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/AlanSmaleReturnEatingtheFantastic-1024x1024.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/AlanSmaleReturnEatingtheFantastic-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/AlanSmaleReturnEatingtheFantastic-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/AlanSmaleReturnEatingtheFantastic-1536x1536.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/AlanSmaleReturnEatingtheFantastic-2048x2048.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Born and raised in England, he lives in Maryland and recently retired from a career as an astrophysicist and data archive manager at NASA&#8217;s Goddard Space Flight Center. He also sings bass and serves as Business Manager for high-energy vocal band The Chromatics, who have performed at various science fiction conventions (D.C. Worldcon, Balticon, Shore Leave, Farpoint) and were Music Guests of Honor at Philcon.<\/p>\n<p>We discussed the three projects he&#8217;d told me in 2019 he was going to write next (and what became of them), how what was originally intended to be a standalone novel turned into his latest trilogy, the synergy of writing an alternate history about the Apollo space program while working at NASA, how the constraints imposed by science helped improve his plot arc, the way astronaut personalities have changed across the decades, how to write alternate history to be entertaining both for those who know actual history and those who don&#8217;t, the advice he wishes he could give his younger self, how we don&#8217;t really dislike info dumps (only the ones which aren&#8217;t done well), and much more.<\/p>\n<p>Here\u2019s how you can join us at  <a href=\"https:\/\/mariscos1133.com\"> Mariscos 1133<\/a> restaurant   &#8212; <!--more--><\/p>\n<p>1) Subscribe at <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/eating-the-fantastic\/id1083737796?mt=2\">Apple Podcasts<\/a> &#8212; or <a href=\"https:\/\/pod.link\/1083737796\">wherever<\/a> you choose to consume your podcasts &#8212; where I hope you&#8217;ll be tempted to sample a few of the 278 previous episodes.<\/p>\n<p>2) Listen via the RSS feed of <a href=\"http:\/\/eatingthefantastic.libsyn.com\/rss\">http:\/\/eatingthefantastic.libsyn.com\/rss<\/a> on the device of your choice.<\/p>\n<p>3) Or simply use the embed below.<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Libsyn Player\" style=\"border: none\" src=\"\/\/html5-player.libsyn.com\/embed\/episode\/id\/40779790\/height\/240\/theme\/legacy\/thumbnail\/yes\/direction\/backward\/\" height=\"240\" width=\"100%\" scrolling=\"no\"  allowfullscreen webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen oallowfullscreen msallowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>Here&#8217;s what you would have seen us nibbling had you been with us at <a href=\"https:\/\/mariscos1133.com\"> Mariscos 1133<\/a> restaurant     &#8212;   <\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Ceviche Cl\u00e1sico<\/strong><br \/>\n<em>red onion, cilantro, rocoto, fresh lime juice, toasted corn<\/em><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/CevicheAlanSmale.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/CevicheAlanSmale-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-38770\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/CevicheAlanSmale-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/CevicheAlanSmale-1024x1024.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/CevicheAlanSmale-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/CevicheAlanSmale-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/CevicheAlanSmale-1536x1536.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/CevicheAlanSmale-2048x2048.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>My Short Ribs<\/strong><br \/>\n<em>overnight slow-braised short ribs, Serrano-tomate puree,<br \/>\ndirty beans, rainbow carrots<\/em><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/ShortRibsMariscos1133.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/ShortRibsMariscos1133-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-38771\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/ShortRibsMariscos1133-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/ShortRibsMariscos1133-1024x1024.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/ShortRibsMariscos1133-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/ShortRibsMariscos1133-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/ShortRibsMariscos1133-1536x1536.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/ShortRibsMariscos1133-2048x2048.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Alan&#8217;s Mariscos Taco Platter<\/strong><br \/>\n<em>baja fish, shrimp, octopus, chipotle aioli, avocado,<br \/>\n cilantro, onions. cabbage, rice &#038; beans<\/em><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/AlanSmaleTacosMariscos1133.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/AlanSmaleTacosMariscos1133-300x147.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"147\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-38772\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/AlanSmaleTacosMariscos1133-300x147.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/AlanSmaleTacosMariscos1133-1024x502.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/AlanSmaleTacosMariscos1133-768x377.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/AlanSmaleTacosMariscos1133-1536x753.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/AlanSmaleTacosMariscos1133-2048x1005.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>If you enjoyed this episode and want to support my mission of breaking bread  with creators of the fantastic while letting you eavesdrop, there are several ways you can help bring this podcast to the attention of potential new listeners looking for science fiction, fantasy, horror, and comics ear candy \u2014<\/p>\n<p>One is to <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/eating-the-fantastic\/id1083737796?mt=2\">rate Eating the Fantastic on Apple Podcasts<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/eatingthefantastic\/?fref=ts\">like it on Facebook<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Also \u2014 you could tell your friends about the show by sending them a link to your favorite episode and letting them know what I\u2019m doing here.<\/p>\n<p>Finally \u2014 I hope you\u2019ll consider becoming a supporter of Eating the Fantastic, and help this podcast continue.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>You could make a small recurring monthly donation over at <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/eatingthefantastic\">Patreon<\/a>, where there are various perks involved depending on your level of support, such as access to a patrons-only blog, getting a shout-out on the show, stickers, postcards, and more.<\/p>\n<p>Or if an ongoing level of commitment\u2019s not for you, or if Patreon\u2019s just not your thing, then consider tossing a couple of bucks in the tip jar instead and making a one-time donation of any size via <a href=\"https:\/\/www.paypal.me\/eatingthefantastic\">Paypal.me<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Or you could head on over to <a href=\"https:\/\/ko-fi.com\/eatingthefantastic\">https:\/\/ko-fi.com\/eatingthefantastic<\/a> and send me the funds to cover the cost of a cup of coffee.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Coming up two weeks from now on the podcast, you\u2019ll be able to dive into a full English breakfast with Farah Mendlesohn, author of the Hugo-nominated <em> The  Pleasant Profession of Robert A. Heinlein<\/em>, about their newest work, <em>Considering The Female Man by Joanna\u00a0Russ<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p>Thanks for listening!<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Seven years, one month, and 15 days before the meal on which you&#8217;re about to eavesdrop, Alan Smale and I got together to chat about his Clash of Eagles trilogy. Now that he&#8217;s completed yet another trilogy, we decided to grab lunch during Awesome Con to discuss how his Apollo Rising books came to be. 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