{"id":37552,"date":"2025-08-08T09:53:48","date_gmt":"2025-08-08T13:53:48","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/?p=37552"},"modified":"2025-08-08T09:53:48","modified_gmt":"2025-08-08T13:53:48","slug":"benjamin-rosenbaum","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/2025\/08\/08\/benjamin-rosenbaum\/","title":{"rendered":"Rip into a lobster roll with Benjamin Rosenbaum in Episode 260 of Eating the Fantastic"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>It&#8217;s time to say farewell to this year&#8217;s Nebula Awards weekend, following our lunch with <a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/2025\/07\/16\/aimee-ogden\/\">Aimee Ogden<\/a> and dinner with <a href=\"https:\/\/curtiscchen.com\">Curtis C. Chen<\/a>. <\/p>\n<p>This episode you&#8217;ll be able to eavesdrop on my lunch with <a href=\"https:\/\/www.the-unraveling.com\">Benjamin Rosenbaum<\/a>, who&#8217;s been published in\u00a0<em>The Magazine of Fantasy &#038; Science Fiction<\/em>,\u00a0<em>Asimov&#8217;s Science Fiction<\/em>,\u00a0<em>Harper&#8217;s<\/em>,\u00a0<em>Nature<\/em>, <em>McSweeney&#8217;s Quarterly Concern<\/em>, and many other venues, and as a result has been nominated for the Hugo, Nebula, BSFA, Sturgeon, and World Fantasy Awards. He&#8217;s the author of the short story collection\u00a0<em>The Ant King and Other Stories<\/em>, and the Ennie-nominated Jewish historical fantasy tabletop roleplaying game<em>\u00a0Dream Apart<\/em>. <\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/BenjaminRosenbaumEatingtheFantastic.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/BenjaminRosenbaumEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-37565\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/BenjaminRosenbaumEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/BenjaminRosenbaumEatingtheFantastic-1024x1024.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/BenjaminRosenbaumEatingtheFantastic-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/BenjaminRosenbaumEatingtheFantastic-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/BenjaminRosenbaumEatingtheFantastic-1536x1536.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/BenjaminRosenbaumEatingtheFantastic-2048x2048.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>His most recent novel is <em>The Unraveling<\/em> (2021), which first appeared in Germany three years earlier. <em>The Ghost and the Golem<\/em>, his 480,000-word Jewish historical fantasy interactive novel set amidst the pogroms of 1881, was a Nebula Award nominee in the category of Game Writing that weekend, so as you listen, you can think of Benjamin as Schr\u00f6dinger&#8217;s nominee, existing in a state of many possibilities at once. He is also the co-host of the podcast\u00a0<em>Mohanraj and Rosenbaum Are Humans<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p>We discussed the perhaps true\/perhaps whimsical reason he ended up in the science fiction field rather than literary publishing, why the story he found the most difficult to sell became his most-read work, how he gamified the submission\/rejection process to get into Clarion, the way all stories set in the future are being read in translation, the reason he couldn&#8217;t write for a while after his first Nebula nomination, the moral and aesthetic reasons the story of <em>Ghost and the Golem<\/em> ended up as a game rather than a novel, why he believes &#8220;I am very much a child of Chip Delany,&#8221; the fascinating differences between the German and English versions of his novel <em>The Reckoning<\/em>, the intricacies of turning games into novels and novels into movies, and much more.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/eatingthefantastic\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-23795\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/PatreonWidget2-300x59.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"59\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/PatreonWidget2-300x59.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/PatreonWidget2.jpg 522w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Here\u2019s how you can join us for seafood at  <a href=\"https:\/\/earlspremier.com\">Earl&#8217;s Premier<\/a>  &#8212; <!--more--><\/p>\n<p>1) Subscribe at <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/eating-the-fantastic\/id1083737796?mt=2\">Apple Podcasts<\/a> &#8212; or <a href=\"https:\/\/pod.link\/1083737796\">wherever<\/a> you choose to consume your podcasts &#8212; where I hope you&#8217;ll be tempted to sample a few of the 259 previous episodes.<\/p>\n<p>2) Listen via the RSS feed of <a href=\"http:\/\/eatingthefantastic.libsyn.com\/rss\">http:\/\/eatingthefantastic.libsyn.com\/rss<\/a> on the device of your choice.<\/p>\n<p>3) Or simply use the embed below.<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Libsyn Player\" style=\"border: none\" src=\"\/\/html5-player.libsyn.com\/embed\/episode\/id\/37656760\/height\/240\/theme\/legacy\/thumbnail\/yes\/direction\/backward\/\" height=\"240\" width=\"100%\" scrolling=\"no\"  allowfullscreen webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen oallowfullscreen msallowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>Here&#8217;s what you would have seen us nibbling had you been with us at <a href=\"https:\/\/earlspremier.com\">Earl&#8217;s Premier<\/a>  &#8212;   <\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Jalape\u00f1o-Artichoke Spread<\/strong><br \/>\n<em>lump crabmeat, three cheeses, butter crackers<\/em><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/AppetizerSpreadEarls.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/AppetizerSpreadEarls-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-37570\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/AppetizerSpreadEarls-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/AppetizerSpreadEarls-1024x1024.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/AppetizerSpreadEarls-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/AppetizerSpreadEarls-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/AppetizerSpreadEarls-1536x1536.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/AppetizerSpreadEarls-2048x2048.jpg 2048w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/AppetizerSpreadEarls-400x400.jpg 400w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/AppetizerSpreadEarls-600x600.jpg 600w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>French Fries<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/FrenchFriesEarls.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/FrenchFriesEarls-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-37563\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/FrenchFriesEarls-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/FrenchFriesEarls-1024x1024.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/FrenchFriesEarls-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/FrenchFriesEarls-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/FrenchFriesEarls-1536x1536.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/FrenchFriesEarls-2048x2048.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>New England Lobster Roll<\/strong><br \/>\npoached lobster, mayonnaise, chive, split-top Bun<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/LobsterRollEarlsPremier.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/LobsterRollEarlsPremier-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-37632\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/LobsterRollEarlsPremier-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/LobsterRollEarlsPremier-1024x1024.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/LobsterRollEarlsPremier-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/LobsterRollEarlsPremier-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/LobsterRollEarlsPremier.jpg 1431w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Bangs Island Mussels<\/strong><br \/>\n<em>white wine, butter, garlic, fresh herbs<\/em><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/MusselsEarls.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/MusselsEarls-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-37561\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/MusselsEarls-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/MusselsEarls-1024x1024.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/MusselsEarls-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/MusselsEarls-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/MusselsEarls-1536x1536.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Earl&#8217;s Oyster Mascot<\/strong><br \/>\n<em>as seen on its napkins<\/em><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/OysterMascotEarls.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/OysterMascotEarls-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-37567\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/OysterMascotEarls-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/OysterMascotEarls-1024x1024.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/OysterMascotEarls-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/OysterMascotEarls-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/OysterMascotEarls.jpg 1066w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Banana Pudding<\/strong><br \/>\n<em>nilla wafers, banana, vanilla pudding, whipped cream<\/em><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/EarlsBananaPudding.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/EarlsBananaPudding-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-37568\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/EarlsBananaPudding-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/EarlsBananaPudding-1024x1024.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/EarlsBananaPudding-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/EarlsBananaPudding-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/EarlsBananaPudding-1536x1536.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/EarlsBananaPudding-2048x2048.jpg 2048w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/EarlsBananaPudding-400x400.jpg 400w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/EarlsBananaPudding-600x600.jpg 600w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>If you enjoyed this episode and want to support my mission of breaking bread  with creators of the fantastic while letting you eavesdrop, there are several ways you can help bring this podcast to the attention of potential new listeners looking for science fiction, fantasy, horror, and comics ear candy \u2014<\/p>\n<p>One is to <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/eating-the-fantastic\/id1083737796?mt=2\">rate Eating the Fantastic on Apple Podcasts<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/eatingthefantastic\/?fref=ts\">like it on Facebook<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Also \u2014 you could tell your friends about the show by sending them a link to your favorite episode and letting them know what I\u2019m doing here.<\/p>\n<p>Finally \u2014 I hope you\u2019ll consider becoming a supporter of Eating the Fantastic, and help this podcast continue.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>You could make a small recurring monthly donation over at <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/eatingthefantastic\">Patreon<\/a>, where there are various perks involved depending on your level of support, such as access to a patrons-only blog, getting a shout-out on the show, stickers, postcards, and more.<\/p>\n<p>Or if an ongoing level of commitment\u2019s not for you, or if Patreon\u2019s just not your thing, then consider tossing a couple of bucks in the tip jar instead and making a one-time donation of any size via <a href=\"https:\/\/www.paypal.me\/eatingthefantastic\">Paypal.me<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Or you could head on over to <a href=\"https:\/\/ko-fi.com\/eatingthefantastic\">https:\/\/ko-fi.com\/eatingthefantastic<\/a> and send me the funds to cover the cost of a cup of coffee.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Coming up two weeks from today will be the first of three episodes recorded during Readercon, where you&#8217;ll be able to have dinner with Mur Lafferty, whose novel <em>Infinite Archive<\/em>, the third book in The Midsolar Murders series &#8212; following\u00a0<em>Station Eternity<\/em> (2022) and <em>Chaos Terminal<\/em> (2023) &#8212; was released last month. <\/p>\n<p>Thanks for listening!<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>It&#8217;s time to say farewell to this year&#8217;s Nebula Awards weekend, following our lunch with Aimee Ogden and dinner with Curtis C. 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