{"id":37478,"date":"2025-07-16T08:57:04","date_gmt":"2025-07-16T12:57:04","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/?p=37478"},"modified":"2025-07-16T08:57:04","modified_gmt":"2025-07-16T12:57:04","slug":"aimee-ogden","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/2025\/07\/16\/aimee-ogden\/","title":{"rendered":"Binge on burnt ends with Aimee Ogden in Episode 258 of Eating the Fantastic"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>In the flesh and blood world, I&#8217;m about to head off for Readercon, but in the world of Eating the Fantastic, it&#8217;s instead the Nebula Awards weekend that&#8217;s about to begin, with the first of three conversations recorded last month in Kansas City. <\/p>\n<p>My guest this episode is Aimee Ogden, whose short fiction has appeared in publications such as <em>Lightspeed<\/em>, <em>Fantasy<\/em>, <em>Analog<\/em>, <em>Clarkesworld<\/em>, and <em>Beneath Ceaseless Skies<\/em>.\u00a0Her debut novella, &#8220;Sun-Daughters, Sea-Daughters&#8221;, was a 2021 Nebula Finalist, and just this year, she was once again a Nebula finalist for the novelette \u201cWhat Any Dead Thing Wants.&#8221; Also, her short story &#8220;A Flower Cannot Love the Hand&#8221; was a finalist for the Eugie Foster Memorial Award in 2022.\u00a0Her latest novella, &#8220;Starstruck,&#8221; was released in June She&#8217;s also\u00a0is the\u00a0co-founder, co-publisher, and former co-editor of <em>Translunar Travelers Lounge<\/em>, a speculative fiction magazine devoted to fun, optimistic stories.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/AimeeOgdenEatingtheFantastic.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/AimeeOgdenEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-37479\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/AimeeOgdenEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/AimeeOgdenEatingtheFantastic-1024x1024.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/AimeeOgdenEatingtheFantastic-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/AimeeOgdenEatingtheFantastic-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/AimeeOgdenEatingtheFantastic-1536x1536.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/AimeeOgdenEatingtheFantastic-2048x2048.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>We discussed the YA novel origins of her new novella and the way a watermelon radish gave birth to them both, whether we agree which of her characters therein will captivate readers the most, why she believes in &#8220;productive procrastination,&#8221; how having twins counterintuitively helped rather than hindered her writing output, our opposing views on plotting vs. pantsing, the Bible story she can&#8217;t stop thinking about, how she chooses the next best thing to write, her secret to writing successful flash fiction, how she was able to carry on in the face of rejection, why being an editor helped her become a better writer, which Ursula K. Le Guin quote she chose as a tattoo, and much more.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/eatingthefantastic\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-23795\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/PatreonWidget2-300x59.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"59\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/PatreonWidget2-300x59.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/PatreonWidget2.jpg 522w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Here\u2019s how you can join us for BBQ at  <a href=\"https:\/\/www.jackstackbbq.com\/locations\/freight-house\">Jack Stack Freight House<\/a>  &#8212; <!--more--><\/p>\n<p>1) Subscribe at <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/eating-the-fantastic\/id1083737796?mt=2\">Apple Podcasts<\/a> &#8212; or <a href=\"https:\/\/pod.link\/1083737796\">wherever<\/a> you choose to consume your podcasts &#8212; where I hope you&#8217;ll be tempted to sample a few of the 257 previous episodes.<\/p>\n<p>2) Listen via the RSS feed of <a href=\"http:\/\/eatingthefantastic.libsyn.com\/rss\">http:\/\/eatingthefantastic.libsyn.com\/rss<\/a> on the device of your choice.<\/p>\n<p>3) Or simply use the embed below.<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Libsyn Player\" style=\"border: none\" src=\"\/\/html5-player.libsyn.com\/embed\/episode\/id\/37385800\/height\/240\/theme\/legacy\/thumbnail\/yes\/direction\/backward\/\" height=\"240\" width=\"100%\" scrolling=\"no\"  allowfullscreen webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen oallowfullscreen msallowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>Here&#8217;s what you would have seen us nibbling had you been at the table at  <a href=\"https:\/\/www.jackstackbbq.com\/locations\/freight-house\">Jack Stack Freight House<\/a>   &#8212;   <\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Smoked Jalape\u00f1o Cornbread<\/strong><br \/>\n<em>with honey butter<\/em><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/CornbreadNebula2025.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/CornbreadNebula2025-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-37487\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/CornbreadNebula2025-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/CornbreadNebula2025-1024x1024.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/CornbreadNebula2025-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/CornbreadNebula2025-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/CornbreadNebula2025-1536x1536.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/CornbreadNebula2025-2048x2048.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Aimee&#8217;s Beef and Pork Burnt Ends<\/strong><br \/>\n<em>with cole slaw and beans<\/em><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/AimeeBurntEndsNebulas2025.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/AimeeBurntEndsNebulas2025-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-37490\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/AimeeBurntEndsNebulas2025-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/AimeeBurntEndsNebulas2025-1024x1024.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/AimeeBurntEndsNebulas2025-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/AimeeBurntEndsNebulas2025-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/AimeeBurntEndsNebulas2025-1536x1536.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/AimeeBurntEndsNebulas2025.jpg 1971w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Scott&#8217;s Beef and Sausage Burnt Ends<\/strong><br \/>\n<em>with beans and cheesy corn bake<\/em><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/ScottBurntEndsNebula2025.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/ScottBurntEndsNebula2025-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-37488\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/ScottBurntEndsNebula2025-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/ScottBurntEndsNebula2025-1024x1024.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/ScottBurntEndsNebula2025-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/ScottBurntEndsNebula2025-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/ScottBurntEndsNebula2025-1536x1536.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>By the way, the last time the Nebula Awards were handed out in Kansas City prior to 2025 was in 1997, and here I am over those weekends dancing around the same fountain &#8212; though without previous guest of the podcast <a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/2023\/03\/10\/walter-jon-williams\/\">Walter Jon Williams<\/a> the second time around.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/KansasCityNebulas19972025.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/KansasCityNebulas19972025-210x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"210\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-37516\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/KansasCityNebulas19972025-210x300.jpg 210w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/KansasCityNebulas19972025.jpg 640w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 210px) 100vw, 210px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>If you enjoyed this episode and want to support my mission of breaking bread  with creators of the fantastic while letting you eavesdrop, there are several ways you can help bring this podcast to the attention of potential new listeners looking for science fiction, fantasy, horror, and comics ear candy \u2014<\/p>\n<p>One is to <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/eating-the-fantastic\/id1083737796?mt=2\">rate Eating the Fantastic on Apple Podcasts<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/eatingthefantastic\/?fref=ts\">like it on Facebook<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Also \u2014 you could tell your friends about the show by sending them a link to your favorite episode and letting them know what I\u2019m doing here.<\/p>\n<p>Finally \u2014 I hope you\u2019ll consider becoming a supporter of Eating the Fantastic, and help this podcast continue.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>You could make a small recurring monthly donation over at <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/eatingthefantastic\">Patreon<\/a>, where there are various perks involved depending on your level of support, such as access to a patrons-only blog, getting a shout-out on the show, stickers, postcards, and more.<\/p>\n<p>Or if an ongoing level of commitment\u2019s not for you, or if Patreon\u2019s just not your thing, then consider tossing a couple of bucks in the tip jar instead and making a one-time donation of any size via <a href=\"https:\/\/www.paypal.me\/eatingthefantastic\">Paypal.me<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Or you could head on over to <a href=\"https:\/\/ko-fi.com\/eatingthefantastic\">https:\/\/ko-fi.com\/eatingthefantastic<\/a> and send me the funds to cover the cost of a cup of coffee.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Coming up two weeks from today will be the second of three episodes recorded during the Nebula Awards weekend, when you&#8217;ll be able to have dinner with Curtis C. Chen, author of the <em>Kangaroo<\/em> science fiction spy series, which currently consists of <em>Waypoint Kangaroo<\/em>, <em>Kangaroo Too<\/em>, and <em>True Blue Kangaroo<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p>Thanks for listening!<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In the flesh and blood world, I&#8217;m about to head off for Readercon, but in the world of Eating the Fantastic, it&#8217;s instead the Nebula Awards weekend that&#8217;s about to begin, with the first of three conversations recorded last month in Kansas City. 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