{"id":34043,"date":"2023-07-28T09:23:10","date_gmt":"2023-07-28T13:23:10","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/?p=34043"},"modified":"2023-07-28T09:23:10","modified_gmt":"2023-07-28T13:23:10","slug":"charlie-jane-anders","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/2023\/07\/28\/charlie-jane-anders\/","title":{"rendered":"Bite into baklava with Charlie Jane Anders in Episode 203 of Eating the Fantastic"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>This year&#8217;s Nebula Awards conference has finally ended here at Eating the Fantastic, following my other conversations captured at that event with <a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/2023\/06\/02\/william-shunn\/\">William Shunn<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/2023\/06\/16\/straczynski\/\">J. Michael Straczynski<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/2023\/06\/30\/jordan-kurella\/\">Jordan Kurella<\/a>, and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/2023\/07\/14\/rhondi-salsitz\/\">Rhondi Salsitz<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>My guest this time around is <a href=\"https:\/\/www.charliejaneanders.com\">Charlie Jane Anders<\/a>, who&#8217;s\u00a0won the Hugo, Nebula, Sturgeon, Lambda Literary, Crawford and Locus Awards. The final volume of her Unstoppable trilogy, <em>Promises Stronger Than Darkness<\/em> (the first two were <em>Victories Greater Than Death<\/em> and <em>Dreams Bigger Than Heartbreak<\/em>), was published just shortly before our chat. Her 2016 novel,<em> All the Birds in the Sky<\/em>, won the Nebula, Locus and Crawford awards. Other books include the Locus Award-winning short story collection <em>Even Greater Mistakes<\/em>, and the Hugo Award-winning <em>And Never Say You Can&#8217;t Survive<\/em>, about how to use creative writing to get through hard times. Her novelette &#8220;Six Months, Three Days&#8221; won a Hugo Award, and her short story &#8220;Don&#8217;t Press Charges and I Won&#8217;t Sue&#8221; won a Theodore Sturgeon Award.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/07\/CharlieJaneAndersEatingtheFantastic.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/07\/CharlieJaneAndersEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-34044\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/07\/CharlieJaneAndersEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/07\/CharlieJaneAndersEatingtheFantastic-1024x1024.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/07\/CharlieJaneAndersEatingtheFantastic-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/07\/CharlieJaneAndersEatingtheFantastic-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/07\/CharlieJaneAndersEatingtheFantastic-1536x1536.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Charlie Jane is also the co-creator of the transgender mutant hero Escapade, who was introduced in <em>Marvel Voices: Pride 2022<\/em>, and has been appearing in the long-running comic <em>New Mutants<\/em>, with Charlie Jane writing. She was a founding editor of <em>io9.com<\/em>, a blog about science fiction and futurism, and went on to become its editor-in-chief. With <a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/2023\/03\/24\/annalee-newitz\/\">former guest of this podcast Annalee Newitz<\/a>, Charlie Jane co-hosts a podcast about the meaning of science fiction called <a href=\"https:\/\/www.ouropinionsarecorrect.com\"><em>Our Opinions Are Correct<\/em><\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>We discussed how her childhood fantasy of aliens whisking her away from Earth gave birth to her Unstoppable trilogy, the way writing a YA meant she had to completely change the way she writes, the challenges of bringing a large cast of characters to life while giving them their own inner lives, why she has problems with Clarke&#8217;s Third Law but was willing to roll with it for her new trilogy, the difficulties of still being at work on the third book of a trilogy when the first was already in the hands of readers, how growing as a writer means embracing the messiness of the process, her reaction to being called &#8220;this generation&#8217;s Le Guin,&#8221; what she had to learn to be able to write comics, and so much more.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/eatingthefantastic\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-23795\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/PatreonWidget2-300x59.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"59\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/PatreonWidget2-300x59.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/PatreonWidget2.jpg 522w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Here\u2019s how you can join us  at <a href=\"https:\/\/www.kareemsfalafel.com\">Kareem&#8217;s Falafel<\/a> in Anaheim, California &#8212; <!--more--><\/p>\n<p>1) Subscribe at <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/eating-the-fantastic\/id1083737796?mt=2\">Apple Podcasts<\/a> &#8212; where I hope you&#8217;ll be tempted to sample a few of the 202 previous episodes.<\/p>\n<p>2) Listen via the RSS feed of <a href=\"http:\/\/eatingthefantastic.libsyn.com\/rss\">http:\/\/eatingthefantastic.libsyn.com\/rss<\/a> on the device of your choice.<\/p>\n<p>3) Or simply use the embed below.<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Libsyn Player\" style=\"border: none\" src=\"\/\/html5-player.libsyn.com\/embed\/episode\/id\/27591054\/height\/240\/theme\/legacy\/thumbnail\/yes\/direction\/backward\/\" height=\"240\" width=\"100%\" scrolling=\"no\"  allowfullscreen webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen oallowfullscreen msallowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>Here&#8217;s what we ate at <a href=\"https:\/\/www.kareemsfalafel.com\">Kareem&#8217;s Falafel<\/a>  &#8212; <\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Scott&#8217;s &#8220;Plant-based Fat Kid&#8221;<\/strong><br \/>\n<em>falafel, hummus, quinoa tabouli,<br \/>\ngarlic, and caramelized onions, babaganoush &#038; grape leaves<\/em><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/07\/FelafelwithCharlieJane.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/07\/FelafelwithCharlieJane-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-34046\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/07\/FelafelwithCharlieJane-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/07\/FelafelwithCharlieJane-1024x1024.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/07\/FelafelwithCharlieJane-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/07\/FelafelwithCharlieJane-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/07\/FelafelwithCharlieJane-1536x1536.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Charlie Jane&#8217;s Saut\u00e9ed steak<\/strong><br \/>\n<em>with onions, tomatoes, garlic, and rice<\/em><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/07\/CharlieJaneEntree.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/07\/CharlieJaneEntree-300x225.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"225\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-34051\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/07\/CharlieJaneEntree-300x225.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/07\/CharlieJaneEntree-1024x768.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/07\/CharlieJaneEntree-768x576.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/07\/CharlieJaneEntree-1536x1152.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/07\/CharlieJaneEntree-2048x1536.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Baklava<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/07\/BaklavawithCharlieJane.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/07\/BaklavawithCharlieJane-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-34049\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/07\/BaklavawithCharlieJane-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/07\/BaklavawithCharlieJane-1024x1024.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/07\/BaklavawithCharlieJane-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/07\/BaklavawithCharlieJane-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/07\/BaklavawithCharlieJane-1536x1536.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>If you enjoyed this episode and want to support my mission of breaking bread  with creators of the fantastic while letting you eavesdrop, there are several ways you can help bring this podcast to the attention of potential new listeners looking for science fiction, fantasy, horror, and comics ear candy \u2014<\/p>\n<p>One is to <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/eating-the-fantastic\/id1083737796?mt=2\">rate Eating the Fantastic on Apple Podcasts<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/eatingthefantastic\/?fref=ts\">like it on Facebook<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Also \u2014 you could tell your friends about the show by sending them a link to your favorite episode and letting them know what I\u2019m doing here.<\/p>\n<p>Finally \u2014 I hope you\u2019ll consider becoming a supporter of Eating the Fantastic, and help this podcast continue.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>You could make a small recurring monthly donation over at <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/eatingthefantastic\">Patreon<\/a>, where there are various perks involved depending on your level of support, such as access to a patrons-only blog, getting a shout-out on the show, stickers, postcards, and more.<\/p>\n<p>Or if an ongoing level of commitment\u2019s not for you, or if Patreon\u2019s just not your thing, then consider tossing a couple of bucks in the tip jar instead and making a one-time donation of any size via <a href=\"https:\/\/www.paypal.me\/eatingthefantastic\">Paypal.me<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Or you could head on over to <a href=\"https:\/\/ko-fi.com\/eatingthefantastic\">https:\/\/ko-fi.com\/eatingthefantastic<\/a> and send me the funds to cover the cost of a cup of coffee.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Coming up two weeks from today you\u2019ll be able to eavesdrop on the first of my meals which took place in Pittsburgh during StokerCon \u2014 lunch with Howard Bender, who I met 49 years ago in 1974, the year we both began working at  Marvel Comics.  He\u2019s drawn Superman stories in <em>Action Comics<\/em>,\u00a0Dial H for Hero stories published in\u00a0<em>The New Adventures of Superboy<\/em>, a number of projects for Archie Comics, and is one of the nicest people I know. I hope you\u2019ll join us.<\/p>\n<p>Thanks for listening!<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>This year&#8217;s Nebula Awards conference has finally ended here at Eating the Fantastic, following my other conversations captured at that event with William Shunn, J. Michael Straczynski, Jordan Kurella, and Rhondi Salsitz. My guest this time around is Charlie Jane Anders, who&#8217;s\u00a0won the Hugo, Nebula, Sturgeon, Lambda Literary, Crawford and Locus Awards. 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