{"id":32109,"date":"2023-02-09T11:38:06","date_gmt":"2023-02-09T16:38:06","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/?p=32109"},"modified":"2023-02-09T11:39:30","modified_gmt":"2023-02-09T16:39:30","slug":"keene-and-sangiovanni","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/2023\/02\/09\/keene-and-sangiovanni\/","title":{"rendered":"Collaborate over breakfast with Brian Keene and Mary SanGiovanni in Episode 191 of Eating the Fantastic"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Anyone who&#8217;s listened to more than a few episodes of Eating the Fantastic already knows &#8212; collaboration confuses me. Tell me two writers have managed to work together on the same project without blood on the floor and a lifelong feud and I&#8217;m baffled. So when I learned previous guests of the show <a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/2017\/04\/14\/dig-into-bbq-with-best-selling-horror-writer-brian-keene-in-episode-34-of-eating-the-fantastic\/\">Brian Keene<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/2018\/05\/12\/chow-down-on-chive-dumplings-with-mary-sangiovanni-in-episode-66-of-eating-the-fantastic\/\">Mary SanGiovanni<\/a> had collaborated on the short story collection <em>Things Left Behind<\/em>, released last year by Thunderstorm Books, I knew we&#8217;d have to chat about it.<\/p>\n<p>We met for breakfast at Martinsburg, West Virginia&#8217;s <a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/BlueWhiteGrill\/\">Blue White Grill<\/a>, which has been serving diner food since the &#8217;50s.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/MaryBrianEatingtheFantastic.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/MaryBrianEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-32111\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/MaryBrianEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/MaryBrianEatingtheFantastic-1024x1024.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/MaryBrianEatingtheFantastic-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/MaryBrianEatingtheFantastic-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/MaryBrianEatingtheFantastic-1536x1536.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/MaryBrianEatingtheFantastic-2048x2048.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Brian\u2019s published more than 40 novels, including the best-selling <em>The Rising<\/em>, and he\u2019s the winner of the 2014 World Horror Grand Master Award, while Mary is the author of <em>The Hollower <\/em>trilogy, the first volume of which was nominated for a Bram Stoker Award. There\u2019s a whole lot more to know about each of them, as you\u2019ll learn if you listen to those two earlier episodes.<\/p>\n<p>We discussed how being intimidated by each other helps their collaborative process, their different tolerances for writing gore (and how that&#8217;s changed over time), the romantic reason (up until this episode known to only one of them) their collaborative short story collection came about, which of them once wrote 45,000 words in a day, how they came to agree on a joint dedication, who gives each story its final polish (and who get the final say on sending it to market), how Brian attempted to bleed all over Mary&#8217;s upcoming <em>Alien<\/em> novel, the way they approach their own deaths, their honeymoon book tour hitting every state but Alaska and Hawaii, their upcoming collaborative novel, and much more.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/eatingthefantastic\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-23795\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/PatreonWidget2-300x59.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"59\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/PatreonWidget2-300x59.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/PatreonWidget2.jpg 522w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Here\u2019s how you can join us &#8212; <!--more--><\/p>\n<p>1) Subscribe at <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/eating-the-fantastic\/id1083737796?mt=2\">Apple Podcasts<\/a> &#8212; where I hope you&#8217;ll be tempted to sample a few of the 190 previous episodes.<\/p>\n<p>2) Use the RSS feed of <a href=\"http:\/\/eatingthefantastic.libsyn.com\/rss\">http:\/\/eatingthefantastic.libsyn.com\/rss<\/a> on the device of your choice.<\/p>\n<p>3) Or simply  use the embed below.<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Libsyn Player\" style=\"border: none\" src=\"\/\/html5-player.libsyn.com\/embed\/episode\/id\/25880766\/height\/240\/theme\/legacy\/thumbnail\/yes\/direction\/backward\/\" height=\"240\" width=\"100%\" scrolling=\"no\"  allowfullscreen webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen oallowfullscreen msallowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>Here&#8217;s the meal we shared at the Blue White Grill  &#8212;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Scott&#8217;s Chicken-Fried Steak, Hash Browns, Eggs, and a Biscuit<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/ScottsBreakfastBlueWhiteGrill.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/ScottsBreakfastBlueWhiteGrill-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-32128\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/ScottsBreakfastBlueWhiteGrill-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/ScottsBreakfastBlueWhiteGrill-1024x1024.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/ScottsBreakfastBlueWhiteGrill-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/ScottsBreakfastBlueWhiteGrill-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/ScottsBreakfastBlueWhiteGrill-1536x1536.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/ScottsBreakfastBlueWhiteGrill-2048x2048.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/BiscuitBlueWhiteGrill.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/BiscuitBlueWhiteGrill-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-32130\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/BiscuitBlueWhiteGrill-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/BiscuitBlueWhiteGrill-1024x1024.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/BiscuitBlueWhiteGrill-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/BiscuitBlueWhiteGrill-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/BiscuitBlueWhiteGrill-1536x1536.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/BiscuitBlueWhiteGrill-2048x2048.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Mary&#8217;s Eggs, Bacon, Home Fries, and Pancake<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/MaryBreakfastBlueWhiteGrill.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/MaryBreakfastBlueWhiteGrill-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-32127\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/MaryBreakfastBlueWhiteGrill-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/MaryBreakfastBlueWhiteGrill-1024x1024.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/MaryBreakfastBlueWhiteGrill-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/MaryBreakfastBlueWhiteGrill-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/MaryBreakfastBlueWhiteGrill-1536x1536.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/MaryBreakfastBlueWhiteGrill-2048x2048.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/PancakeBlueWhiteGrill.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/PancakeBlueWhiteGrill-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-32129\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/PancakeBlueWhiteGrill-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/PancakeBlueWhiteGrill-1024x1024.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/PancakeBlueWhiteGrill-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/PancakeBlueWhiteGrill-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/PancakeBlueWhiteGrill-1536x1536.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/PancakeBlueWhiteGrill-2048x2048.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Brian&#8217;s Chicken-Fried Steak (Sans Gravy) Home Fries, and Bacon<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/BrianKeeneBreakfastBlueWhiteGrill.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/BrianKeeneBreakfastBlueWhiteGrill-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-32126\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/BrianKeeneBreakfastBlueWhiteGrill-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/BrianKeeneBreakfastBlueWhiteGrill-1024x1024.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/BrianKeeneBreakfastBlueWhiteGrill-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/BrianKeeneBreakfastBlueWhiteGrill-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/BrianKeeneBreakfastBlueWhiteGrill-1536x1536.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/BrianKeeneBreakfastBlueWhiteGrill-2048x2048.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>If you enjoyed this episode and want to support my mission of breaking bread  with creators of the fantastic while letting you eavesdrop, there are several ways you can help bring this podcast to the attention of potential new listeners looking for science fiction, fantasy, horror, and comics ear candy \u2014<\/p>\n<p>One is to <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/eating-the-fantastic\/id1083737796?mt=2\">rate Eating the Fantastic on Apple Podcasts<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/eatingthefantastic\/?fref=ts\">like it on Facebook<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Also \u2014 you could tell your friends about the show by sending them a link to your favorite episode and letting them know what I\u2019m doing here.<\/p>\n<p>Finally \u2014 I hope you\u2019ll consider becoming a supporter of Eating the Fantastic, and help this podcast continue.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>You could make a small recurring monthly donation over at <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/eatingthefantastic\">Patreon<\/a>, where there are various perks involved depending on your level of support, such as access to a patrons-only blog, getting a shout-out on the show, stickers, postcards, and more.<\/p>\n<p>Or if an ongoing level of commitment\u2019s not for you, or if Patreon\u2019s just not your thing, then consider tossing a couple of bucks in the tip jar instead and making a one-time donation of any size via <a href=\"https:\/\/www.paypal.me\/eatingthefantastic\">Paypal.me<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Or you could head on over to <a href=\"https:\/\/ko-fi.com\/eatingthefantastic\">https:\/\/ko-fi.com\/eatingthefantastic<\/a> and send me the funds to cover the cost of a cup of coffee.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Coming up next is a writer whose name it&#8217;s too soon to reveal, because our conversation hasn\u2019t been recorded yet and I\u2019d hate for you to be disappointed in the event it falls through. But the meal will be taking place this very weekend as this episode goes live at the Farpoint convention in Hunt Valley, Maryland. Wish me luck!<\/p>\n<p>And thanks for listening!<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Anyone who&#8217;s listened to more than a few episodes of Eating the Fantastic already knows &#8212; collaboration confuses me. Tell me two writers have managed to work together on the same project without blood on the floor and a lifelong feud and I&#8217;m baffled. 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