{"id":28943,"date":"2022-09-09T09:03:29","date_gmt":"2022-09-09T13:03:29","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/?p=28943"},"modified":"2022-09-09T09:03:29","modified_gmt":"2022-09-09T13:03:29","slug":"max-gladstone","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/2022\/09\/09\/max-gladstone\/","title":{"rendered":"Meet Max Gladstone for a Mexican meal in Episode 180 of Eating the Fantastic"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I&#8217;m just back from the 80th World Science Fiction Convention &#8212; and I suppose I should point out it wasn&#8217;t <em>my<\/em> 80th Worldcon. Though I\u2019ve been attending cons since I was 15, I\u2019m not that old. Chicon 8 was merely &#8212; <em>merely!<\/em> &#8212; my 36th. <\/p>\n<p>And I&#8217;ve brought back conversations for you with Wesley Chu, Carol Tilley, Eileen Gunn, Michael Swanwick, Oghenechovwe Donald Ekpeki, and Tim Waggoner. But what I haven&#8217;t brought back &#8212; at least as of this morning &#8212; is a case of COVID-19. Which as far as I&#8217;m concerned is a miracle, considering my anxiety levels going into the con.<\/p>\n<p>But before we get to any of those six conversations, I&#8217;d like you have lunch with <a href=\"https:\/\/www.maxgladstone.com\">Max Gladstone<\/a>. Max is perhaps best-known for his Craft Sequence\u00a0of fantasy novels which began in 2012 with<em>\u00a0Three Parts Dead<\/em>, continued in 2013 with\u00a0<em>Two Serpents Rise<\/em>, and so far consists of six volumes, which considered as a whole were nominated for a Best Series Hugo Award.\u00a0His interactive projects include the <em>Choice of the Deathless<\/em> and <em>Deathless: The\u00a0City\u2019s Thirst<\/em>, which both take place in the world of the Craft Sequence. With <a href=\"http:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/2017\/11\/17\/nibble-frozen-cranberries-with-amal-el-mohtar-in-episode-52-of-eating-the-fantastic\/\">previous guest of the podcast Amal El-Mohtar<\/a>, he wrote the\u00a0internationally bestselling\u00a0<em>This is How You Lose the Time War<\/em>, which was published in 2020 and won the Hugo, Nebula, and Ignyte Awards. Gladstone also created the Serial Box series\u00a0<em>Bookburners<\/em>, and the interactive television series<em>\u00a0Wizard School Dropout<\/em>. His most recent novel, <em>Last Exit<\/em>, was published in March.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/MacGladstoneEating.jpeg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/MacGladstoneEating-300x300.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-28944\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/MacGladstoneEating-300x300.jpeg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/MacGladstoneEating-1024x1024.jpeg 1024w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/MacGladstoneEating-150x150.jpeg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/MacGladstoneEating-768x768.jpeg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/MacGladstoneEating-1536x1536.jpeg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>We discussed what a Godzilla movie has to tell us about the way future art will likely deal with the pandemic, our differing ideas over what we mean when we say we&#8217;ve written another draft of a story, how we&#8217;d be willing to dispense with the art inspired by tragedy if we could only skip the tragedy as well, the differences between his early and final drafts of <em>Last Exit<\/em>, how to make us care equally when writing from multiple points of view (and how doing so could cause the reader to trust the writer even more), what it is about science fiction that attracts dystopias, how our dreams have changed due to COVID-19, what we get wrong when we write about civilizations lasting thousands of years, and much more.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/eatingthefantastic\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-23795\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/PatreonWidget2-300x59.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"59\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/PatreonWidget2-300x59.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/PatreonWidget2.jpg 522w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Here\u2019s how you can join us &#8212; <!--more--><\/p>\n<p>1) Subscribe at <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/eating-the-fantastic\/id1083737796?mt=2\">Apple Podcasts<\/a> &#8212; where I hope you&#8217;ll be tempted to sample a few of the 179 previous episodes.<\/p>\n<p>2) Listen via the RSS feed of <a href=\"http:\/\/eatingthefantastic.libsyn.com\/rss\">http:\/\/eatingthefantastic.libsyn.com\/rss<\/a> on the device of your choice.<\/p>\n<p>3) Or simply use the embed below.<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Libsyn Player\" style=\"border: none\" src=\"\/\/html5-player.libsyn.com\/embed\/episode\/id\/24321270\/height\/240\/theme\/legacy\/thumbnail\/yes\/direction\/backward\/\" height=\"240\" width=\"100%\" scrolling=\"no\"  allowfullscreen webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen oallowfullscreen msallowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>Here&#8217;s what  we  chowed down on as we chatted &#8212;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong> Max&#8217;s chicken taco, carnitas taco, and  carne asada con queso taco  <\/strong><br \/>\n<em>from Tenoch Mexican in Somerville, Massachusetts<\/em><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/MaxGladstoneMexican.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/MaxGladstoneMexican-300x225.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"225\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-28947\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/MaxGladstoneMexican-300x225.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/MaxGladstoneMexican-1024x768.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/MaxGladstoneMexican-768x576.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/MaxGladstoneMexican-1536x1152.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/MaxGladstoneMexican-2048x1536.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Scott&#8217;s Barbacoa<\/strong><br \/>\n<em>from Fiesta Tapatia in Martinsburg, West Virginia<\/em><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/ScottBarbacoaMexicanwithMax-1.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/ScottBarbacoaMexicanwithMax-1-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-28949\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/ScottBarbacoaMexicanwithMax-1-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/ScottBarbacoaMexicanwithMax-1-1024x1024.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/ScottBarbacoaMexicanwithMax-1-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/ScottBarbacoaMexicanwithMax-1-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/ScottBarbacoaMexicanwithMax-1-1536x1536.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>If you enjoyed this episode and want to support my mission of breaking bread  with creators of the fantastic while letting you eavesdrop, there are several ways you can help bring this podcast to the attention of potential new listeners looking for science fiction, fantasy, horror, and comics ear candy \u2014<\/p>\n<p>One is to <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/eating-the-fantastic\/id1083737796?mt=2\">rate Eating the Fantastic on Apple Podcasts<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/eatingthefantastic\/?fref=ts\">like it on Facebook<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Also \u2014 you could tell your friends about the show by sending them a link to your favorite episode and letting them know what I\u2019m doing here.<\/p>\n<p>Finally \u2014 I hope you\u2019ll consider becoming a supporter of Eating the Fantastic, and help this podcast continue.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>You could make a small recurring monthly donation over at <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/eatingthefantastic\">Patreon<\/a>, where there are various perks involved depending on your level of support, such as access to a patrons-only blog, getting a shout-out on the show, stickers, postcards, and more.<\/p>\n<p>Or if an ongoing level of commitment\u2019s not for you, or if Patreon\u2019s just not your thing, then consider tossing a couple of bucks in the tip jar instead and making a one-time donation of any size via <a href=\"https:\/\/www.paypal.me\/eatingthefantastic\">Paypal.me<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Or you could head on over to <a href=\"https:\/\/ko-fi.com\/eatingthefantastic\">https:\/\/ko-fi.com\/eatingthefantastic<\/a> and send me the funds to cover the cost of a cup of coffee.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Please join me next time, when you\u2019ll be able to eavesdrop on the first of my meals from the Chicago Worldcon \u2014 which involved a visit with writer Wesley Chu to his favorite Chicago brunch spot so we would chat about his new novel <em>The Art of Prophecy<\/em>, which was released a mere weeks before our conversation.<\/p>\n<p>Thanks for 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Though I\u2019ve been attending cons since I was 15, I\u2019m not that old. Chicon 8 was merely &#8212; merely! &#8212; my 36th. 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