{"id":27597,"date":"2021-05-07T08:13:00","date_gmt":"2021-05-07T12:13:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/?p=27597"},"modified":"2021-05-07T08:13:00","modified_gmt":"2021-05-07T12:13:00","slug":"aliette-de-bodard","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/2021\/05\/07\/aliette-de-bodard\/","title":{"rendered":"Grab g\u1ecfi cu\u1ed1n with award-winning writer Aliette de Bodard in Episode 144 of Eating the Fantastic"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>As Eating the Fantastic continues to play &#8220;let&#8217;s pretend&#8221; during this pandemic year, acting as if we got the real-world conventions we wish we&#8217;d had, rather than the online ones life handed us, it&#8217;s time to head off for a Vietnamese meal with the amazing <a href=\"https:\/\/aliettedebodard.com\">Aliette de Bodard<\/a>, who\u2019s currently both a Hugo Award and Ignite Award finalist for her story &#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/uncannymagazine.com\/article\/the-inaccessibility-of-heaven\/\">The Inaccessibility of Heaven<\/a>,&#8221; published last year in <a href=\"https:\/\/uncannymagazine.com\"><em>Uncanny<\/em><\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>She&#8217;s the author of the Hugo-Award-nominated series The Universe of Xuya, set in a galactic empire born out of Vietnamese history and culture. She\u2019s also written the Dominion of the Fallen series, set in an alternate Paris devastated by a magical war, which includes <em>The House of Shattered Wings<\/em>, <em>The House of Binding Thorns<\/em>, and the <em>The House of Sundering Flames<\/em>. <\/p>\n<p>Her short fiction has appeared in <em>Uncanny<\/em>, <em>Beneath Ceaseless Skies<\/em>, <em>Lightspeed<\/em>, <em>Subterranean<\/em>, <em>Tor.com<\/em>, and other magazines. She\u2019s won three Nebula Awards, a Locus Award, a European Science Fiction Association Achievement Award, and four British Science Fiction Association Awards, in addition to being a finalist for the Hugo and Sturgeon Award. She was a double Hugo finalist in 2019 for Best Series and Best Novella, and was also a  finalist for the John W. Campbell Award for Best New Writer in 2009.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/AliettedeBodardEatingtheFantastic.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/AliettedeBodardEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-27598\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/AliettedeBodardEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/AliettedeBodardEatingtheFantastic-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/AliettedeBodardEatingtheFantastic-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/AliettedeBodardEatingtheFantastic.jpg 960w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>We discussed how best to deal with imposter syndrome, the way the pandemic contributed to her completing a long-unfinished story, the phone call which sparked her to focus on more personal stories, when she realized she was building universes rather than single stories, how anger over <em>Revenge of the Sith<\/em> gave her insight into the kinds of universes she did and didn&#8217;t want to build, why the <em>Shadow and Bone<\/em> TV adaptation wasn&#8217;t the escapist entertainment she hoped it would be, how writers can fight back against the cliches popular culture puts in our heads, whether writers can control the effects of their stories when they have no idea what individual readers might bring to them, how best to use anger appropriately, the importance of a story&#8217;s final line, what she wishes she&#8217;d known about writing rules when she began, and much more.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/eatingthefantastic\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-23795\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/PatreonWidget2-300x59.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"59\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/PatreonWidget2-300x59.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/PatreonWidget2.jpg 522w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Here\u2019s how you can take a seat at the table with us &#8212; <!--more--><\/p>\n<p>1) Subscribe at <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/eating-the-fantastic\/id1083737796?mt=2\">Apple Podcasts<\/a> &#8212; where I hope you&#8217;ll be moved to sample some of the 143 previous episodes.<\/p>\n<p>2) Use the RSS feed of <a href=\"http:\/\/eatingthefantastic.libsyn.com\/rss\">http:\/\/eatingthefantastic.libsyn.com\/rss<\/a> on the device of your choice.<\/p>\n<p>3) Or listen using the embed below.<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" style=\"border: none\" src=\"\/\/html5-player.libsyn.com\/embed\/episode\/id\/19018439\/height\/240\/theme\/legacy\/thumbnail\/yes\/direction\/backward\/\" height=\"240\" width=\"100%\" scrolling=\"no\"  allowfullscreen webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen oallowfullscreen msallowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>Here&#8217;s what we chewed on while we chatted &#8212;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Aliette&#8217;s Appetizers <\/strong><br \/>\n<em>g\u1ecfi cu\u1ed1n (summer roll), shrimp toast, ho\u00e0nh th\u00e1nh (wonton),<br \/>\nsamossa,  ch\u1ea3 gi\u00f2 (fried roll), Thai fish cake<\/em><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/AliettedeBodardAppetizers.jpeg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/AliettedeBodardAppetizers-300x300.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-27599\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/AliettedeBodardAppetizers-300x300.jpeg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/AliettedeBodardAppetizers-1024x1024.jpeg 1024w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/AliettedeBodardAppetizers-150x150.jpeg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/AliettedeBodardAppetizers-768x768.jpeg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/AliettedeBodardAppetizers.jpeg 1512w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Aliette&#8217;s Ph\u1edf t\u00e1i<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/AliettedeBodardPho.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/AliettedeBodardPho-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-27601\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/AliettedeBodardPho-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/AliettedeBodardPho-1024x1024.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/AliettedeBodardPho-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/AliettedeBodardPho-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/AliettedeBodardPho.jpg 1512w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Aliette&#8217;s Ch\u00e8 b\u1eafp<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/AliettedeBodardCheBap.jpeg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/AliettedeBodardCheBap-300x300.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-27602\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/AliettedeBodardCheBap-300x300.jpeg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/AliettedeBodardCheBap-1024x1024.jpeg 1024w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/AliettedeBodardCheBap-150x150.jpeg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/AliettedeBodardCheBap-768x768.jpeg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/AliettedeBodardCheBap.jpeg 1423w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Scott&#8217;s  G\u1ecfi Cu\u1ed1n <\/strong><br \/>\n<em>shrimp &#038; pork fresh garden roll with peanut sauce<\/em><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/GoiCuonEatingtheFantastic.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/GoiCuonEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-27604\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/GoiCuonEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/GoiCuonEatingtheFantastic-1024x1024.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/GoiCuonEatingtheFantastic-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/GoiCuonEatingtheFantastic-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/GoiCuonEatingtheFantastic-1536x1536.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Scott&#8217;s  Bun Bo Hao <\/strong><br \/>\n<em>stir-fried lemon grass beef on rice vermicelli<\/em><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/BunBoHaoEatingtehFantastic.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/BunBoHaoEatingtehFantastic-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-27606\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/BunBoHaoEatingtehFantastic-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/BunBoHaoEatingtehFantastic-1024x1024.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/BunBoHaoEatingtehFantastic-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/BunBoHaoEatingtehFantastic-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/BunBoHaoEatingtehFantastic-1536x1536.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>If you enjoyed this episode and want to support my mission of breaking bread with creators of the fantastic while letting you eavesdrop, there are several ways you can help bring this podcast to the attention of potential new listeners looking for science fiction, fantasy, horror, and comics ear candy \u2014<\/p>\n<p>One is to <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/eating-the-fantastic\/id1083737796?mt=2\">rate Eating the Fantastic on Apple Podcasts<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/eatingthefantastic\/?fref=ts\">like it on Facebook<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Also \u2014 you could tell your friends about the show by sending them a link to your favorite episode and letting them know what I\u2019m doing here.<\/p>\n<p>Finally \u2014 I hope you\u2019ll consider becoming a supporter of Eating the Fantastic, and help this podcast continue.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>You could make a small recurring monthly donation over at <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/eatingthefantastic\">Patreon<\/a>, where there are various perks involved depending on your level of support, such as access to a patrons-only blog, getting a shout-out on the show, stickers, postcards, and more.<\/p>\n<p>Or if an ongoing level of commitment\u2019s not for you, or if Patreon\u2019s just not your thing, then consider tossing a couple of bucks in the tip jar instead and making a one-time donation of any size via <a href=\"https:\/\/www.paypal.me\/eatingthefantastic\">Paypal.me<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Or you could head on over to <a href=\"https:\/\/ko-fi.com\/eatingthefantastic\">https:\/\/ko-fi.com\/eatingthefantastic<\/a> and send me the funds to cover the cost of a cup of coffee.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>I hope you\u2019ll join me two weeks from my guest will be Nino Cipri, currently on both the Hugo and Nebula Awards ballots for their novella <em>Finna<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p>Thanks for listening!<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>As Eating the Fantastic continues to play &#8220;let&#8217;s pretend&#8221; 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