{"id":27491,"date":"2021-03-26T10:12:00","date_gmt":"2021-03-26T14:12:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/?p=27491"},"modified":"2021-03-26T10:12:00","modified_gmt":"2021-03-26T14:12:00","slug":"zig-zag-claybourne","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/2021\/03\/26\/zig-zag-claybourne\/","title":{"rendered":"Bite into BBQ with Zig Zag Claybourne in Episode 141 of Eating the Fantastic"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Last year, Eating the Fantastic traveled to New Zealand for the World Science Fiction convention, Scarborough UK for StokerCon, Los Angeles for the Nebula Awards weekend, and made various other stops on the convention circuit &#8212; because even though all of those events were forced to go virtual, I decided to act as if we had the year we deserved rather than the year we actually got.<\/p>\n<p>This episode, we\u2019re going to once again refuse to let a con going virtual steal from us the sense of community which comes when people break bread together and food loosens their tongues. This time around, we\u2019re heading to Boston for my first con of 2021 &#8212; <a href=\"https:\/\/boskone.org\">Boskone<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>My guest this time around is <a href=\"http:\/\/havebookwilltravel.com\/zig-zag-claybourne\/\">Zig Zag Claybourne<\/a>, the author of\u00a0<em>The Brothers Jetstream: Leviathan<\/em> and its sequel <em>Afro Puffs Are the Antennae of the Universe<\/em>. His other works include <em>By All Our Violent Guides<\/em>, <em>Neon Lights<\/em>, <em>In the Quiet Spaces<\/em>, and the short story collection <em>Historical Inaccuracies<\/em>. His fiction and essays have appeared in \u00a0in <em>Apex<\/em>, <em>Galaxy\u2019s Edge<\/em>, <em>GigaNotosaurus<\/em>, <em>Strange Horizons<\/em>, and other venues.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/ZigZagClaybourneEatingtheFantastic.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/ZigZagClaybourneEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-27493\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/ZigZagClaybourneEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/ZigZagClaybourneEatingtheFantastic-1024x1024.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/ZigZagClaybourneEatingtheFantastic-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/ZigZagClaybourneEatingtheFantastic-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/ZigZagClaybourneEatingtheFantastic-1536x1536.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/ZigZagClaybourneEatingtheFantastic.jpg 1910w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>We discussed how creators can self-define their success to avoid jealousy and despair, why he&#8217;s always preferred Marvel to DC, how he&#8217;d annoy his family with his love of the original <em>Star Trek<\/em>, the two professors who showed him he could be a writer, why the title is the soul of a story, the most important pointer he received after reaching out to romance writer Beverley Jenkins for advice, why he does some of his best writing in the bathtub, how dialogue reveals character, whether his wild duology will ever become a trilogy, how to survive toxic fandoms, and much more.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/eatingthefantastic\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-23795\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/PatreonWidget2-300x59.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"59\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/PatreonWidget2-300x59.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/PatreonWidget2.jpg 522w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Here\u2019s how you can eavesdrop on our conversation &#8212; <!--more--><\/p>\n<p>1) Subscribe at <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/eating-the-fantastic\/id1083737796?mt=2\">Apple Podcasts<\/a> &#8212; where I hope you&#8217;ll decide to sample a few of the 140 previous episodes.<\/p>\n<p>2) Use the RSS feed of <a href=\"http:\/\/eatingthefantastic.libsyn.com\/rss\">http:\/\/eatingthefantastic.libsyn.com\/rss<\/a> on the device of your choice.<\/p>\n<p>3) Or listen using the embed below.<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" style=\"border: none\" src=\"\/\/html5-player.libsyn.com\/embed\/episode\/id\/18478088\/height\/240\/theme\/legacy\/thumbnail\/yes\/direction\/backward\/\" height=\"240\" width=\"100%\" scrolling=\"no\"  allowfullscreen webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen oallowfullscreen msallowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>Here&#8217;s what we chewed on while we chatted &#8212;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Zig Zag&#8217;s Full Spread<\/strong><br \/>\n<em>mac-n-cheese, ribs, carrot cake<\/em><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/ZigZagClaybourneFullSlowsSpread.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/ZigZagClaybourneFullSlowsSpread-282x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"282\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-27500\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/ZigZagClaybourneFullSlowsSpread-282x300.jpg 282w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/ZigZagClaybourneFullSlowsSpread-961x1024.jpg 961w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/ZigZagClaybourneFullSlowsSpread-768x818.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/ZigZagClaybourneFullSlowsSpread.jpg 1433w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 282px) 100vw, 282px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>My Triple Threat Pork Sandwich<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/TripleThreatPorkEatingtheFantastic.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/TripleThreatPorkEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-27495\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/TripleThreatPorkEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/TripleThreatPorkEatingtheFantastic-1024x1024.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/TripleThreatPorkEatingtheFantastic-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/TripleThreatPorkEatingtheFantastic-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/TripleThreatPorkEatingtheFantastic-1536x1536.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Slow&#8217;s Triple Threat Pork Sandwich<\/strong><br \/>\n<em>(which I was attempting to replicate)<\/em><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/SlowsTripleThreat.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/SlowsTripleThreat-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-27497\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/SlowsTripleThreat-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/SlowsTripleThreat-1024x1024.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/SlowsTripleThreat-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/SlowsTripleThreat-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/SlowsTripleThreat.jpg 1080w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>If you enjoyed this episode and want to support my mission of breaking bread with creators of the fantastic while letting you eavesdrop, there are several ways you can help bring this podcast to the attention of potential new listeners looking for science fiction, fantasy, horror, and comics ear candy \u2014<\/p>\n<p>One is to <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/eating-the-fantastic\/id1083737796?mt=2\">rate Eating the Fantastic on Apple Podcasts<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/eatingthefantastic\/?fref=ts\">like it on Facebook<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Also \u2014 you could tell your friends about the show by sending them a link to your favorite episode and letting them know what I\u2019m doing here.<\/p>\n<p>Finally \u2014 I hope you\u2019ll consider becoming a supporter of Eating the Fantastic, and help this podcast continue.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>You could make a small recurring monthly donation over at <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/eatingthefantastic\">Patreon<\/a>, where there are various perks involved depending on your level of support, such as access to a patrons-only blog, getting a shout-out on the show, stickers, postcards, and more.<\/p>\n<p>Or if an ongoing level of commitment\u2019s not for you, or if Patreon\u2019s just not your thing, then consider tossing a couple of bucks in the tip jar instead and making a one-time donation of any size via <a href=\"https:\/\/www.paypal.me\/eatingthefantastic\">Paypal.me<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Or you could head on over to <a href=\"https:\/\/ko-fi.com\/eatingthefantastic\">https:\/\/ko-fi.com\/eatingthefantastic<\/a> and send me the funds to cover the cost of a cup of coffee.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>I hope you\u2019ll join me two weeks from now for another Boskone conversation when my guest will be A. T. Greenblatt, who won the 2019 Nebula Award for Best Short Story for \u201cGive the Family My Love,\u201d and who is also on the current Nebula Awards ballot for her novelette &#8220;Burn or The Episodic Life of Sam Wells as a Super.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Thanks for listening!<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Last year, Eating the Fantastic traveled to New Zealand for the World Science Fiction convention, Scarborough UK for StokerCon, Los Angeles for the Nebula Awards weekend, and made various other stops on the convention circuit &#8212; because even though all of those events were forced to go virtual, I decided to act as if we [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[732,49,911],"class_list":["post-27491","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized","tag-eating-the-fantastic","tag-food","tag-zig-zag-claybourne"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/27491","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=27491"}],"version-history":[{"count":5,"href":"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/27491\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":27516,"href":"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/27491\/revisions\/27516"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=27491"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=27491"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=27491"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}