{"id":26188,"date":"2019-08-12T08:44:17","date_gmt":"2019-08-12T12:44:17","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/?p=26188"},"modified":"2019-08-12T08:44:17","modified_gmt":"2019-08-12T12:44:17","slug":"bite-into-a-burger-with-p-djeli-clark-in-episode-102-of-eating-the-fantastic","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/2019\/08\/12\/bite-into-a-burger-with-p-djeli-clark-in-episode-102-of-eating-the-fantastic\/","title":{"rendered":"Bite into a burger with P. Dj\u00e8l\u00ed Clark in Episode 102 of Eating the Fantastic"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>This year&#8217;s <a href=\"http:\/\/www.readercon.org\">Readercon<\/a>&#8216;s a month in the past, but here at Eating the Fantastic, it&#8217;s only just beginning, because it&#8217;s time for the first of three episodes I recorded at a con I&#8217;ve been attending since 1987.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/pdjeliclark.wordpress.com\">P. Dj\u00e8l\u00ed Clark<\/a> won both the Nebula Award and the Locus Award for Best Short Story earlier this year for &#8220;The Secret Lives of the Nine Negro Teeth of George Washington&#8221;  &#8212; and is currently up for a Hugo Award not just  for that, but for his novella \u201cThe Black God\u2019s Drums\u201d as well. His fiction has appeared online at Tor.com,\u00a0<em>Lightspeed<\/em>, <em>Fireside Fiction<\/em>, <em>Beneath Ceaseless Skies<\/em>, and elsewhere, and in print anthologies  such as <em>Hidden Youth<\/em>\u00a0and\u00a0<em>Clockwork Cairo<\/em>. He is founding member of\u00a0<em>FIYAH Literary Magazine<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p>We got together for dinner Friday of the con at Quincy\u2019s <a href=\"http:\/\/thefatcat.localsearch365.com\">Fat Cat Restaurant<\/a>, which specializes in comfort food like nachos, wings, mac and cheese, and ribs, though they also serve higher end items like duck and ribeye steaks. But our tastes were not quite so upscale that night, so we stuck to chicken quesadillas and burgers. <\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/PDjeliClarkEatingtheFantastic.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/PDjeliClarkEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-26189\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/PDjeliClarkEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/PDjeliClarkEatingtheFantastic-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/PDjeliClarkEatingtheFantastic-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/PDjeliClarkEatingtheFantastic-1024x1024.jpg 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>We discussed his upcoming first novel (the sale of which was announced only days before we spoke), the background which gave birth to his award-winning story &#8220;The Secret Lives of the Nine Negro Teeth of George Washington,&#8221; the reason <em>The Black God&#8217;s Drums<\/em> switched point-of-view character during his writing of it, what he learned about New Orleans due to an unfortunate encounter with the local police department, how he found success when he switched from writing multi-volume sagas to focusing on shorter forms, his complicated feelings about Ray Bradbury, how being a professional historian helps his writing, our favorite (and not so favorite) episodes of <em>The Twilight Zone<\/em>, and much, much more.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/eatingthefantastic\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/PatreonWidget2-300x59.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"59\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-23795\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/PatreonWidget2-300x59.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/PatreonWidget2.jpg 522w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Here\u2019s how you can eavesdrop on our conversation at Fat Cat  &#8212;<!--more--><\/p>\n<p>1) Subscribe at  <a href=\"https:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/eating-the-fantastic\/id1083737796\">the iTunes store<\/a> &#8212;  where I hope you&#8217;ll be tempted to download some  of the 101 previous episodes.<\/p>\n<p>2) Listen using the RSS feed of <a href=\"http:\/\/eatingthefantastic.libsyn.com\/rss\">http:\/\/eatingthefantastic.libsyn.com\/rss<\/a> on the device of your choice.<\/p>\n<p>3) Or check it out via the embed below.<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" style=\"border: none\" src=\"\/\/html5-player.libsyn.com\/embed\/episode\/id\/10861610\/height\/240\/theme\/legacy\/thumbnail\/yes\/direction\/backward\/\" height=\"240\" width=\"100%\" scrolling=\"no\"  allowfullscreen webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen oallowfullscreen msallowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>Here&#8217;s what we shared as we spoke  &#8212;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Chicken Quesadillas<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/ChickenQuesadillasFatCatEatingtheFantastic.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/ChickenQuesadillasFatCatEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-26209\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/ChickenQuesadillasFatCatEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/ChickenQuesadillasFatCatEatingtheFantastic-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/ChickenQuesadillasFatCatEatingtheFantastic-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/ChickenQuesadillasFatCatEatingtheFantastic-1024x1024.jpg 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Fat Cat Burger<\/strong><br \/>\n<em>below: cheddar, caramelized onions, bacon plus cajun fries<br \/>\nup top:  cheddar, bacon and fries<\/em><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/FatCatBurgerEatingtheFantastic.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/FatCatBurgerEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-26210\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/FatCatBurgerEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/FatCatBurgerEatingtheFantastic-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/FatCatBurgerEatingtheFantastic-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/FatCatBurgerEatingtheFantastic-1024x1024.jpg 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Bread Pudding<\/strong><br \/>\n<em>with caramel sauce and whipped cream<\/em><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/BreadPuddingFatCatEatingtheFantastic.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/BreadPuddingFatCatEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-26211\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/BreadPuddingFatCatEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/BreadPuddingFatCatEatingtheFantastic-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/BreadPuddingFatCatEatingtheFantastic-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/BreadPuddingFatCatEatingtheFantastic-1024x1024.jpg 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Brownie Sundae<\/strong><br \/>\n<em>with vanilla ice cream, chocolate and caramel sauces, whipped cream<\/em><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/BrownieSundaeFatCatEatingtheFanatstic.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/BrownieSundaeFatCatEatingtheFanatstic-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-26212\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/BrownieSundaeFatCatEatingtheFanatstic-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/BrownieSundaeFatCatEatingtheFanatstic-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/BrownieSundaeFatCatEatingtheFanatstic-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/BrownieSundaeFatCatEatingtheFanatstic-1024x1024.jpg 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>If you enjoyed this episode and want to support my mission of breaking bread with creators of the fantastic while letting you listen in, there are several ways you can help bring this podcast to the attention of potential new listeners looking for science fiction, fantasy, horror, and comics ear candy &#8212;<\/p>\n<p>One is to <a href=\"https:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/eating-the-fantastic\/id1083737796\">rate Eating the Fantastic on iTunes<\/a>  and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/eatingthefantastic\/?fref=ts\">like it on Facebook<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Also &#8212; you could tell your friends about the show  by sending them a link to your favorite episode and letting them know what I\u2019m doing here.<\/p>\n<p>Finally  &#8212; because of Eating the Fantastic\u2019s unique niche &#8212; that is, on-the-road restaurant interviews \u2014 there are expenses beyond the usual ones for  studio-based podcasts.  I sometimes use ride-sharing services to carry me and my guests from convention centers to restaurants and back, or I gas up to drive them myself \u2014 and then there\u2019s that food I used to entice those guests to wander off and share of themselves with you, food which loosens their tongues, relaxes them, and  &#8212; counterintuitively, because we are after all out in public surrounded by other diners  &#8212; results a much more intimate environment than if we were alone together in a sterile studio.<\/p>\n<p>So I hope you\u2019ll consider becoming a supporter of the show, and help fund this mission of mine.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\nYou could make a small recurring monthly donation over at  <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/eatingthefantastic\">Patreon<\/a>, where there are various perks involved depending on your level of support, such as access to a patrons-only blog, getting a shout-out on the show, stickers, postcards, and more.<\/p>\n<p>Or if an ongoing level of commitment\u2019s not for you, or if Patreon\u2019s just not your thing, then consider tossing a couple of bucks in the tip jar instead and making a one-time donation of any size via <a href=\"https:\/\/www.paypal.me\/eatingthefantastic\">Paypal.me<\/a>. <\/p>\n<p>Or you could head on over to <a href=\"https:\/\/ko-fi.com\/eatingthefantastic\">https:\/\/ko-fi.com\/eatingthefantastic<\/a> and send me the funds to cover the cost of a cup of coffee.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>I hope you&#8217;ll come back in two weeks when my guest will  be Lucy A. Snyder &#8212; seven-time Bram Stoker Award finalist and a five-time winner, most recently in 2016 for her collection <em>While the Black Stars Burn<\/em>. I hope you&#8217;ll join us!<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>This year&#8217;s Readercon&#8216;s a month in the past, but here at Eating the Fantastic, it&#8217;s only just beginning, because it&#8217;s time for the first of three episodes I recorded at a con I&#8217;ve been attending since 1987. P. 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