{"id":26071,"date":"2019-08-02T08:59:35","date_gmt":"2019-08-02T12:59:35","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/?p=26071"},"modified":"2019-08-02T09:04:19","modified_gmt":"2019-08-02T13:04:19","slug":"rachel-swirsky","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/2019\/08\/02\/rachel-swirsky\/","title":{"rendered":"Nibble New York cheesecake in L.A. with Nebula Award-winning writer Rachel Swirsky in Episode 101 of Eating the Fantastic"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Eating the Fantastic&#8217;s second century begins with the last of three meals you\u2019re getting to eavesdrop on from this\u00a0year&#8217;s Nebula Awards weekend in Los Angeles, following two comic book legends &#8212; <a href=\"http:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/2019\/07\/05\/lunch-in-l-a-with-comics-legend-gerry-conway-on-episode-99-of-eating-the-fantastic\/\">Gerry Conway<\/a> in Episode 99 and <a href=\"http:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/2019\/07\/19\/mark-evanier\/\">Mark Evanier<\/a> in Episode 100.<\/p>\n<p>This episode\u2019s guest is <a href=\"http:\/\/rachelswirsky.com\">Rachel Swirsky<\/a>, who\u2019s won some  Nebula Awards of her own &#8212; for her novella &#8220;The Lady Who Plucked Red Flowers Beneath the Queen\u2019s Window&#8221; in 2010 and her short story &#8220;If You Were a Dinosaur, My Love\u201d in 2013. She\u2019s also been a Hugo Award, World Fantasy Award, and Theodore Sturgeon Memorial Award nominee. She was the founding editor of the\u00a0PodCastle\u00a0podcast, co-edited the anthology <em>People of the Book: A Decade of Jewish Science Fiction &#038; Fantasy<\/em>, \u00a0and served as vice president of the\u00a0Science Fiction and Fantasy Writers of America\u00a0in 2013.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/05\/RachelSwirskyEatingtheFantastic.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/05\/RachelSwirskyEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-26077\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/05\/RachelSwirskyEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/05\/RachelSwirskyEatingtheFantastic-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/05\/RachelSwirskyEatingtheFantastic-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/05\/RachelSwirskyEatingtheFantastic-1024x1024.jpg 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>We got together for brunch the Saturday morning of the Nebula Awards weekend at <a href=\"http:\/\/lovisdeli.com\">Lovi&#8217;s Delicatessan<\/a>  in Calabasas, California where we chatted over brisket, latke, and of course, cheesecake.<\/p>\n<p>We discussed what it was like to be critiqued by Octavia Butler at the Clarion Science Fiction Writers Workshop, how she learned there&#8217;s no inherent goodness in being concise in one&#8217;s writing, the generational shift in mainstream literature&#8217;s acceptance of science fiction, why she&#8217;s an anarchist (though she&#8217;s really not), what she learned about writing as a reporter covering pinball professionally, how the things most people say are impossible actually aren&#8217;t, why you shouldn&#8217;t base your self-worth on your accomplishments, how to deal with writers block and impostor syndrome (and the way they&#8217;re sometimes connected),  the proper way to depict mental illness in fiction, why whenever she writes erotica it turns out to be depressing, how she survived the controversy over &#8220;If You Were A Dinosaur, My Love,&#8221; and much more.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/eatingthefantastic\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/PatreonWidget2-300x59.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"59\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-23795\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/PatreonWidget2-300x59.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/PatreonWidget2.jpg 522w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Here\u2019s how you can join us at the table at Lovi\u2019s Delicatessan   &#8212;<!--more--><\/p>\n<p>1) Subscribe at  <a href=\"https:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/eating-the-fantastic\/id1083737796\">the iTunes store<\/a> &#8212;  where I hope you&#8217;ll be tempted to download some  of the 100 (yes, 100!) previous episodes.<\/p>\n<p>2) Listen using the RSS feed of <a href=\"http:\/\/eatingthefantastic.libsyn.com\/rss\">http:\/\/eatingthefantastic.libsyn.com\/rss<\/a> on the device of your choice.<\/p>\n<p>3) Or check it out via the embed below.<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" style=\"border: none\" src=\"\/\/html5-player.libsyn.com\/embed\/episode\/id\/10750394\/height\/240\/theme\/legacy\/thumbnail\/yes\/direction\/backward\/\" height=\"240\" width=\"100%\" scrolling=\"no\"  allowfullscreen webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen oallowfullscreen msallowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>Here&#8217;s what we shared during our chat &#8212;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Rachel&#8217;s French Dip with Potato Salad<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/SandwichLovisEatingtheFantastic.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/SandwichLovisEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-26185\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/SandwichLovisEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/SandwichLovisEatingtheFantastic-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/SandwichLovisEatingtheFantastic-768x767.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/SandwichLovisEatingtheFantastic-1024x1024.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/SandwichLovisEatingtheFantastic.jpg 1033w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>My Open-Face Brisket Platter &#8230; <\/strong><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/BrisketLovisEatingtheFantastic.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/BrisketLovisEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-26182\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/BrisketLovisEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/BrisketLovisEatingtheFantastic-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/BrisketLovisEatingtheFantastic-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/BrisketLovisEatingtheFantastic-1024x1024.jpg 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>&#8230; and accompanying Latke<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/PotatoLovisEatingtheFantastic.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/PotatoLovisEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-26183\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/PotatoLovisEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/PotatoLovisEatingtheFantastic-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/PotatoLovisEatingtheFantastic-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/PotatoLovisEatingtheFantastic-1024x1024.jpg 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Rachel&#8217;s New York Cheesecake<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/DessertLovisEatingtheFantastic.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/DessertLovisEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-26181\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/DessertLovisEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/DessertLovisEatingtheFantastic-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/DessertLovisEatingtheFantastic-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/DessertLovisEatingtheFantastic-1024x1024.jpg 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>My Blueberry Cheesecake<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/BlueberryCheesecakeLovisEatingtheFantastic.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/BlueberryCheesecakeLovisEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-26180\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/BlueberryCheesecakeLovisEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/BlueberryCheesecakeLovisEatingtheFantastic-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/BlueberryCheesecakeLovisEatingtheFantastic-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/BlueberryCheesecakeLovisEatingtheFantastic-1024x1024.jpg 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>If you enjoyed this episode and want to support my mission of breaking bread with creators of the fantastic while letting you listen in, there are several ways you can help bring this podcast to the attention of potential new listeners looking for science fiction, fantasy, horror, and comics ear candy &#8212;<\/p>\n<p>One is to <a href=\"https:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/eating-the-fantastic\/id1083737796\">rate Eating the Fantastic on iTunes<\/a>  and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/eatingthefantastic\/?fref=ts\">like it on Facebook<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Also &#8212; you could tell your friends about the show  by sending them a link to your favorite episode and letting them know what I\u2019m doing here.<\/p>\n<p>Finally  &#8212; because of Eating the Fantastic\u2019s unique niche &#8212; that is, on-the-road restaurant interviews \u2014 there are expenses beyond the usual ones for  studio-based podcasts.  I sometimes use ride-sharing services to carry me and my guests from convention centers to restaurants and back, or I gas up to drive them myself \u2014 and then there\u2019s that food I used to entice those guests to wander off and share of themselves with you, food which loosens their tongues, relaxes them, and  &#8212; counterintuitively, because we are after all out in public surrounded by other diners  &#8212; results a much more intimate environment than if we were alone together in a sterile studio.<\/p>\n<p>So I hope you\u2019ll consider becoming a supporter of the show, and help fund this mission of mine.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\nYou could make a small recurring monthly donation over at  <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/eatingthefantastic\">Patreon<\/a>, where there are various perks involved depending on your level of support, such as access to a patrons-only blog, getting a shout-out on the show, stickers, postcards, and more.<\/p>\n<p>Or if an ongoing level of commitment\u2019s not for you, or if Patreon\u2019s just not your thing, then consider tossing a couple of bucks in the tip jar instead and making a one-time donation of any size via <a href=\"https:\/\/www.paypal.me\/eatingthefantastic\">Paypal.me<\/a>. <\/p>\n<p>Or you could head on over to <a href=\"https:\/\/ko-fi.com\/eatingthefantastic\">https:\/\/ko-fi.com\/eatingthefantastic<\/a> and send me the funds to cover the cost of a cup of coffee.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>I hope you&#8217;ll come back next episode when my guest will be P. Dj\u00e8l\u00ed Clark, who won both the Nebula and Locus Awards for Best Short Story earlier this year for &#8220;The Secret Lives of the Nine Negro Teeth of George Washington&#8221; &#8212; and who\u2019s currently up for <em>two<\/em> Hugo Awards.   Please join us!<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Eating the Fantastic&#8217;s second century begins with the last of three meals you\u2019re getting to eavesdrop on from this\u00a0year&#8217;s Nebula Awards weekend in Los Angeles, following two comic book legends &#8212; Gerry Conway in Episode 99 and Mark Evanier in Episode 100. 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