{"id":26067,"date":"2019-07-05T08:50:10","date_gmt":"2019-07-05T12:50:10","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/?p=26067"},"modified":"2019-07-05T08:50:10","modified_gmt":"2019-07-05T12:50:10","slug":"lunch-in-l-a-with-comics-legend-gerry-conway-on-episode-99-of-eating-the-fantastic","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/2019\/07\/05\/lunch-in-l-a-with-comics-legend-gerry-conway-on-episode-99-of-eating-the-fantastic\/","title":{"rendered":"Lunch in L.A. with comics legend Gerry Conway on Episode 99 of Eating the Fantastic"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>My first meal of the Nebula Awards weekend was with comics legend\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/gerryconway\">Gerry Conway<\/a>, who\u00a0I\u2019ve known for at least 48 years, since 1971 &#8212; when I was a comics fan of 16, and he was 19, and yet\u00a0already a comics pro with\u00a0credits on\u00a0<em>Phantom Stranger<\/em>,\u00a0<em>Ka-Zar<\/em>, and\u00a0<em>Daredevil<\/em>. Our paths back then crossed in the\u00a0basement of the Times Square branch of Nathan\u2019s (which, alas, no longer exists) where the late Phil Seuling had organized a standalone dealers room without any convention programming dubbed <a href=\"http:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/2009\/09\/10\/happy-57th-birthday-gerry-conway\/\">Nathan&#8217;s Con<\/a>,\u00a0which was a test run for his future <a href=\"http:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/2009\/10\/07\/phil-seulings-first-second-sunday\/\">Second Sunday<\/a> mini-cons.<\/p>\n<p>Gerry and I have a lot of history in those 48 years, including his time as Marvel\u2019s editor-in-chief when I worked in the\u00a0Bullpen \u2014 though his tenure was only six weeks long, two of those weeks my honeymoon \u2014 a tenure you\u2019ll hear us talk\u00a0about during the meal which follows. He\u2019s the creator of The Punisher, Power Girl, and Firestorm, and wrote a lengthy and\u00a0at one point controversial run on\u00a0<em>Spider-Man<\/em>. But he\u2019s also worked on such TV series as\u00a0<em>Matlock<\/em>,\u00a0<em>Jake and the Fatman<\/em>,\u00a0<em>Hercules: The\u00a0Legendary Journeys<\/em>,\u00a0<em>Law &#038; Order<\/em>, and many others.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/05\/GerryConwayEatingtheFantastic.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/05\/GerryConwayEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-26073\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/05\/GerryConwayEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/05\/GerryConwayEatingtheFantastic-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/05\/GerryConwayEatingtheFantastic-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/05\/GerryConwayEatingtheFantastic-1024x1024.jpg 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>At Gerry\u2019s recommendation, our meal took place at the <a href=\"http:\/\/sagebrushcantina.com\">Sagebrush Cantina<\/a> in Calabasas, California, where I invite you to take a seat and eavesdrop on our longest conversation in 40 years. <\/p>\n<p>We discussed how the comics business has always been dying and what keeps saving it, why if he were in charge he&#8217;d shut down Marvel Comics for six months, what it&#8217;s like (and how it&#8217;s different) being both the youngest and oldest writer ever to script Spider-Man, the novel mistake he made during his summer at the Clarion Writers Workshop, why he&#8217;s lived a life in comics rather than science fiction, what caused Harlan Ellison to write an offensive letter to his mother, the one bad experience he ever had being edited in comics (it had to do with the Justice League), the convoluted way <em>Superman vs. Spider-Man<\/em> resulted in him writing for TV&#8217;s <em>Father Dowling Mysteries<\/em>, how exasperation caused him to quit his role as Marvel&#8217;s Editor-in-Chief (while I was out of the Bullpen on my honeymoon), how he&#8217;d have been treated if he&#8217;d killed off Gwen Stacy in today&#8217;s social media world, and much, much more.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/eatingthefantastic\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/PatreonWidget2-300x59.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"59\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-23795\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/PatreonWidget2-300x59.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/PatreonWidget2.jpg 522w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Here\u2019s how you can eavesdrop on our conversation &#8212;<!--more--><\/p>\n<p>1) Subscribe at  <a href=\"https:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/eating-the-fantastic\/id1083737796\">the iTunes store<\/a> &#8212;  where I hope you&#8217;ll be tempted while you&#8217;re there to download some  of the 98 previous episodes.<\/p>\n<p>2) Listen using the RSS feed of <a href=\"http:\/\/eatingthefantastic.libsyn.com\/rss\">http:\/\/eatingthefantastic.libsyn.com\/rss<\/a> on the device of your choice.<\/p>\n<p>3) Or check it out via the embed below.<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" style=\"border: none\" src=\"\/\/html5-player.libsyn.com\/embed\/episode\/id\/10413092\/height\/240\/theme\/legacy\/thumbnail\/yes\/direction\/backward\/\" height=\"240\" width=\"100%\" scrolling=\"no\"  allowfullscreen webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen oallowfullscreen msallowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>Here&#8217;s what we dug into while we spoke  &#8212;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Tostada with Chicken<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/SaladSagebrushCantinaEatingtheFantastic.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/SaladSagebrushCantinaEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-26130\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/SaladSagebrushCantinaEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/SaladSagebrushCantinaEatingtheFantastic-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/SaladSagebrushCantinaEatingtheFantastic-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/SaladSagebrushCantinaEatingtheFantastic-1024x1024.jpg 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Carne Asada<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/CarneAsadaSagebrushCantinaEatingtheFantastic.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/CarneAsadaSagebrushCantinaEatingtheFantastic-300x261.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"261\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-26131\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/CarneAsadaSagebrushCantinaEatingtheFantastic-300x261.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/CarneAsadaSagebrushCantinaEatingtheFantastic-768x668.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/CarneAsadaSagebrushCantinaEatingtheFantastic-1024x891.jpg 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Churros<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/ChurrosSagebrushCantinaEatingtheFantastic.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/ChurrosSagebrushCantinaEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-26122\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/ChurrosSagebrushCantinaEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/ChurrosSagebrushCantinaEatingtheFantastic-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/ChurrosSagebrushCantinaEatingtheFantastic-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/ChurrosSagebrushCantinaEatingtheFantastic-1024x1024.jpg 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>If you enjoyed this episode and want to support my mission of breaking bread with creators of the fantastic while letting you listen in, there are several ways you can help bring this podcast to the attention of potential new listeners looking for science fiction, fantasy, horror, and comics ear candy &#8212;<\/p>\n<p>One is to <a href=\"https:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/eating-the-fantastic\/id1083737796\">rate Eating the Fantastic on iTunes<\/a>  and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/eatingthefantastic\/?fref=ts\">like it on Facebook<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Also &#8212; you could tell your friends about the show  by sending them a link to your favorite episode and letting them know what I\u2019m doing here.<\/p>\n<p>Finally  &#8212; because of Eating the Fantastic\u2019s unique niche &#8212; that is, on-the-road restaurant interviews \u2014 there are expenses beyond the usual ones for  studio-based podcasts.  I sometimes use ride-sharing services to carry me and my guests from convention centers to restaurants and back, or I gas up to drive them myself \u2014 and then there\u2019s that food I used to entice those guests to wander off and share of themselves with you, food which loosens their tongues, relaxes them, and  &#8212; counterintuitively, because we are after all out in public surrounded by other diners  &#8212; results a much more intimate environment than if we were alone together in a sterile studio.<\/p>\n<p>So I hope you\u2019ll consider becoming a supporter of the show, and help fund this mission of mine.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\nYou could make a small recurring monthly donation over at  <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/eatingthefantastic\">Patreon<\/a>, where there are various perks involved depending on your level of support, such as access to a patrons-only blog, getting a shout-out on the show, stickers, postcards, and more.<\/p>\n<p>Or if an ongoing level of commitment\u2019s not for you, or if Patreon\u2019s just not your thing, then consider tossing a couple of bucks in the tip jar instead and making a one-time donation of any size via <a href=\"https:\/\/www.paypal.me\/eatingthefantastic\">Paypal.me<\/a>. <\/p>\n<p>Or you could head on over to <a href=\"https:\/\/ko-fi.com\/eatingthefantastic\">https:\/\/ko-fi.com\/eatingthefantastic<\/a> and send me the funds to cover the cost of a cup of coffee.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>I hope you&#8217;ll come back in two weeks when my guest will  be Mark Evanier  &#8212; who started his comic book career way back in 1969, worked as Jack Kirby&#8217;s production assistant, and over the years has written issues of <em>Blackhawk<\/em>, <em>Groo the Wanderer<\/em>, <em>DNAgents<\/em>, and (like me) <em>Welcome Back, Kotter<\/em>.   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