{"id":25865,"date":"2019-04-05T09:15:29","date_gmt":"2019-04-05T13:15:29","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/?p=25865"},"modified":"2019-04-05T09:15:29","modified_gmt":"2019-04-05T13:15:29","slug":"bond-over-bing-bread-with-malka-older-in-episode-92-of-eating-the-fantastic","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/2019\/04\/05\/bond-over-bing-bread-with-malka-older-in-episode-92-of-eating-the-fantastic\/","title":{"rendered":"Bond over bing bread with Malka Older in Episode 92 of Eating the Fantastic"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>This turns out to be a perfectly timed episode of Eating the Fantastic, though I didn\u2019t plan it that way, and had no idea while recording such would be the case. The reason for my feeling of serendipity is because my guest is <a href=\"https:\/\/malkaolder.wordpress.com\">Malka Older<\/a>, author of the novels <em>Infomocracy<\/em>,\u00a0<em>Null State<\/em>s, and\u00a0<em>State Tectonics<\/em> &#8212; which comprise the Centenal Cycle &#8212; and which just a few days ago was announced as having made the final Hugo Awards ballot in the category of Best Series.<\/p>\n<p>In addition to being the author of that series &#8212; the first book of which was named one of the best books of 2016 by <em>Kirkus<\/em>, <em>Book Riot<\/em>, and the <em>Washington Post<\/em>  &#8212; Malka Older has also written short fiction and poetry which have been published at <em>WIRED<\/em>, <em>Tor.com<\/em>, <em>Fireside Fiction<\/em>, and many other venues. Her first short story collection <em>And Other Disasters<\/em> will come out in late 2019.<\/p>\n<p>In the non-fiction side of her life, she has a Masters in international relations and economics from the School of Advanced International Studies Johns Hopkins University, was named Senior Fellow for Technology and Risk at the Carnegie Council for Ethics in International Affairs for 2015, and has more a decade of experience in humanitarian aid and development.<\/p>\n<p>She joined me for lunch at <a href=\"https:\/\/ccdc.momofuku.com\">Momofuku CCDC<\/a>, a restaurant which will be familiar to regular listeners of this podcast, because Rosemary Claire Smith joined me there a little more than two years ago in <a href=\"http:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/2017\/03\/21\/binge-on-pork-buns-with-rosemary-claire-smith-in-episode-32-of-eating-the-fantastic\/\">Episode 32<\/a>. I try not to be a repeat customer at any of the spots I visit &#8212; at least not while recording for the podcast &#8212; but a lot has changed since that visit. David Chang installed a new executive chef, Tae Strain, and gave him orders to \u201cdestroy\u201d the menu (according to <a href=\"https:\/\/www.washingtonian.com\/2018\/03\/06\/momofuku-ditches-ramen-and-buns-under-new-chef\/\">an article in the <em>Washingtonian<\/em><\/a>), which meant ditching the ramen and pork buns for which Momofuku is so famous. But hey, where else am I going to get a chance to try kimchee potato salad?<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/MalkaOlderEatingtheFantastic.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/MalkaOlderEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-25866\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/MalkaOlderEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/MalkaOlderEatingtheFantastic-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/MalkaOlderEatingtheFantastic-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/MalkaOlderEatingtheFantastic-1024x1024.jpg 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>We discussed why democracy is a radical concept which scares people (and what marriage has to say about the dramatic potential of democracy), the pachinko parlor which helped give birth to her science fictional universe, how what was intended to be a standalone novel turned into a trilogy, her secrets (and role models) when it comes to writing action scenes, which of her characters moves more merchandise, how (and why) editor Carl Engle-Laird helped her add 20,000 words to her first novel, what she learned about herself from the collaborative Serialbox project, the one thing about her background I was embarrassed to admit I&#8217;d never realized, and much more.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/eatingthefantastic\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/PatreonWidget2-300x59.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"59\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-23795\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/PatreonWidget2-300x59.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/PatreonWidget2.jpg 522w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Here\u2019s how you can eavesdrop on our conversation at Momofuku CCDC &#8212;<!--more--><\/p>\n<p>1) Subscribe at  <a href=\"https:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/eating-the-fantastic\/id1083737796\">the iTunes store<\/a> &#8212;  where I&#8217;m hope you might also be tempted to download a few  of the 91 previous episodes.<\/p>\n<p>2) Listen on any  device of your choice by using the RSS feed of <a href=\"http:\/\/eatingthefantastic.libsyn.com\/rss\">http:\/\/eatingthefantastic.libsyn.com\/rss<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>3) Or simply check it out via the embed below.<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" style=\"border: none\" src=\"\/\/html5-player.libsyn.com\/embed\/episode\/id\/9280670\/height\/240\/theme\/legacy\/thumbnail\/yes\/direction\/backward\/\" height=\"240\" width=\"100%\" scrolling=\"no\"  allowfullscreen webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen oallowfullscreen msallowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>Here&#8217;s what Malka and I ate as we chatted &#8212;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Bing Bread\/Kimchi Potato Salad<\/strong><br \/>\n<em>cultured honey butter, gochugaru\/soy egg, fried shallots<\/em><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/BreadPotatoSaladMomofukuCCDCEatingtheFantastic.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/BreadPotatoSaladMomofukuCCDCEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-25867\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/BreadPotatoSaladMomofukuCCDCEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/BreadPotatoSaladMomofukuCCDCEatingtheFantastic-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/BreadPotatoSaladMomofukuCCDCEatingtheFantastic-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/BreadPotatoSaladMomofukuCCDCEatingtheFantastic-1024x1024.jpg 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Scallion Bing Wrap with Cumin-Spiced Lamb<\/strong><br \/>\n<em>kimchi, radicchio, and black vinegar<\/em><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/ScallionBingWrapMomofukuCCDCEatingtheFantastic.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/ScallionBingWrapMomofukuCCDCEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-25868\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/ScallionBingWrapMomofukuCCDCEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/ScallionBingWrapMomofukuCCDCEatingtheFantastic-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/ScallionBingWrapMomofukuCCDCEatingtheFantastic-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/ScallionBingWrapMomofukuCCDCEatingtheFantastic-1024x1024.jpg 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Dry Spiced Chicken<\/strong><br \/>\n<em> olive, cilantro yogurt, rotisserie fat rice<\/em><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/DrpSpicedChickenMomofukuEatingtheFantastic.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/DrpSpicedChickenMomofukuEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-25869\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/DrpSpicedChickenMomofukuEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/DrpSpicedChickenMomofukuEatingtheFantastic-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/DrpSpicedChickenMomofukuEatingtheFantastic-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/DrpSpicedChickenMomofukuEatingtheFantastic-1024x1024.jpg 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Crack Pie with Soft Serve Cereal Milk Ice Cream<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/CrackPieMomofukuCCDCEatingtheFantasticMalkaOlderEpisode.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/CrackPieMomofukuCCDCEatingtheFantasticMalkaOlderEpisode-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-25872\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/CrackPieMomofukuCCDCEatingtheFantasticMalkaOlderEpisode-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/CrackPieMomofukuCCDCEatingtheFantasticMalkaOlderEpisode-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/CrackPieMomofukuCCDCEatingtheFantasticMalkaOlderEpisode-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/CrackPieMomofukuCCDCEatingtheFantasticMalkaOlderEpisode-1024x1024.jpg 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>If you enjoyed this episode and want to support my mission of breaking bread with creators of the fantastic while letting you listen in, there are a few ways you can help bring this podcast to the attention of potential new listeners looking for science fiction, fantasy, horror, and comics ear candy &#8212;<\/p>\n<p>One is to <a href=\"https:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/eating-the-fantastic\/id1083737796\">rate Eating the Fantastic on iTunes<\/a>  and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/eatingthefantastic\/?fref=ts\">like it on Facebook<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Also &#8212; you could tell your friends about the show  by sending them a link to your favorite episode and letting them know what I\u2019m doing here.<\/p>\n<p>Finally  &#8212; because of Eating the Fantastic\u2019s unique niche \u2014 that is, on-the-road restaurant interviews \u2014 there are expenses beyond the usual ones for  studio-based podcasts.  I sometimes use ride-sharing services to carry me and my guests from convention centers to restaurants and back, or I gas up to drive them myself \u2014 and then there\u2019s that food I used to entice those guests to wander off and share of themselves with you, food which loosens their tongues, relaxes them, and \u2014 counterintuitively, because we are after all out in public surrounded by other diners \u2014 results a much more intimate environment than if we were alone together in a sterile studio.<\/p>\n<p>So I hope you\u2019ll consider becoming a supporter of the show, and help fund this mission of mine.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\nYou could make a small recurring monthly donation over at  <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/eatingthefantastic\">Patreon<\/a>, where there are various perks involved depending on your level of support, such as access to a patrons-only blog, getting a shout-out on the show, stickers, postcards, and more.<\/p>\n<p>Or if an ongoing level of commitment\u2019s not for you, or if Patreon\u2019s just not your thing, then consider tossing a couple of bucks in the tip jar instead and making a one-time donation of any size via <a href=\"https:\/\/www.paypal.me\/eatingthefantastic\">Paypal.me<\/a>. <\/p>\n<p>Or you could head on over to <a href=\"https:\/\/ko-fi.com\/eatingthefantastic\">https:\/\/ko-fi.com\/eatingthefantastic<\/a> and send me the funds to cover the cost of a cup of coffee.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Please join me again in two weeks when my guest will be Steve Stiles, a Hugo-winning artist who coincidentally started working at Marvel Comics in the British reprint department back in the mid-\u201870s the year after I left. So expect us to wax nostalgic as we look back over his career.<\/p>\n<p>Thanks for listening!<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>This turns out to be a perfectly timed episode of Eating the Fantastic, though I didn\u2019t plan it that way, and had no idea while recording such would be the case. 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