{"id":25130,"date":"2018-07-11T09:06:06","date_gmt":"2018-07-11T13:06:06","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/?p=25130"},"modified":"2018-07-11T21:32:10","modified_gmt":"2018-07-12T01:32:10","slug":"episode-71-of-eating-the-fantastic","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/2018\/07\/11\/episode-71-of-eating-the-fantastic\/","title":{"rendered":"Join Arlan Andrews, Sr., Gregory Benford, Geoffrey A. Landis, and Charles Sheffield for lunch\u2014in 1993!\u2014in a flashback episode of Eating the Fantastic"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Join me for lunch at the World Science Fiction Convention. No, not <em>this<\/em> year\u2019s San Jose Worldcon, which won\u2019t happen until August. Or even last year\u2019s Worldcon in Helsinki. But the 1993 San Francisco Worldcon!<\/p>\n<p>Here\u2019s how we\u2019re going to do that &#8230;<\/p>\n<p>Late last year, I repurposed a Science Forum I&#8217;d recorded for\u00a0<em>Science Fiction Age<\/em>\u00a0magazine on March 1, 1994 into <a href=\"http:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/2017\/12\/29\/share-cannoli-with-charles-sheffield-and-arlan-andrews-sr-as-eating-the-fantastic-time-travels-to-1994\/\">Episode 56 of Eating the Fantastic<\/a>.\u00a0You got to hear\u00a0Charles Sheffield and\u00a0Arlan Andrews, Sr. chatting over lunch at an Italian restaurant about the many ways the world might end. But for this episode, we&#8217;ll be going even\u00a0further\u00a0back into the past.<\/p>\n<p>On September 1, 1993, I shared lunch during the San Francisco Worldcon with not only Andrews and\u00a0Sheffield, but Gregory Benford and Geoffrey Landis as well. I thought it would be fun to bring together working\u00a0scientists to have them discuss over a meal everything wrong (and a few things which might be right) with how their profession is\u00a0portrayed in science fiction.<\/p>\n<p>I no longer have any idea which convention hotel restaurant we gathered in for our recording session, but we were\u00a0definitely eating&#8212;as you&#8217;ll be able to hear for yourself when a sizzling platter of something called a &#8220;Laredo&#8221; is put in\u00a0front of us and we worry about whether it&#8217;s safe to eat without burning ourselves.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/07\/ScienceFictionAgeJanuary1994.jpeg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/07\/ScienceFictionAgeJanuary1994-217x300.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"217\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-25131\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/07\/ScienceFictionAgeJanuary1994-217x300.jpeg 217w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/07\/ScienceFictionAgeJanuary1994-768x1064.jpeg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/07\/ScienceFictionAgeJanuary1994-739x1024.jpeg 739w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 217px) 100vw, 217px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>An edited transcript of this conversation was published in the January 1994 issue of<em>\u00a0Science Fiction Age<\/em>. So who were this quartet of scientist\/science fiction writers when we recorded this Science Forum 25 years ago? Here&#8217;s how I described them in that issue&#8212;<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Gregory Benford is a professor of physics working at the University of California at Irvine, who has also written over a dozen SF novels. Arlan Andrew, Sr. is an executive at a national laboratory, who has worked in the White House Science Office in both the Bush and Clinton administrations. A longtime SF reader, Geoffrey Landis has long looked at the role of the scientist both as an experimentalist and as an SF writer. Charles Sheffield holds a Ph.D in theoretical physics and serves as Chief Scientist for the Earth Satellite Corporation. <\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>And I should add that during my years editing <em>Science Fiction Age<\/em> magazine from 1992 through 2000, I published short fiction by each of them.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/eatingthefantastic\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/PatreonWidget2-300x59.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"59\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-23795\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/PatreonWidget2-300x59.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/PatreonWidget2.jpg 522w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>We discussed how <em>Gilligan&#8217;s Island<\/em> gave TV viewers the wrong idea about scientists, the ways in which most science fiction isn&#8217;t actually science fiction at all, but rather <em>engineering<\/em> fiction, what&#8217;s wrong with portraying scientists as if they&#8217;re any different than non-scientists, why Stephen King&#8217;s <em>The Stand<\/em> gave such a negative picture of science and technology, the dangers of letting governments control science, why real science, like real art, is work, the reason scientists need to be more aggressive about the ways in which they&#8217;re portrayed, and more.<\/p>\n<p>Here\u2019s how you can share some of that sizzling &#8220;Laredo&#8221; with us&#8212;<!--more--><\/p>\n<p>1) Subscribe over at  <a href=\"https:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/eating-the-fantastic\/id1083737796\">the iTunes store<\/a>, where I hope you&#8217;ll be tempted by some of the 70 previous episodes.<\/p>\n<p>2) Listen to the episode using the RSS feed of <a href=\"http:\/\/eatingthefantastic.libsyn.com\/rss\">http:\/\/eatingthefantastic.libsyn.com\/rss<\/a> on the device of your choice.<\/p>\n<p>3) Or simple listen via the embed below.<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" style=\"border: none\" src=\"\/\/html5-player.libsyn.com\/embed\/episode\/id\/6797900\/height\/240\/width\/480\/theme\/legacy\/autonext\/no\/thumbnail\/yes\/autoplay\/no\/preload\/no\/no_addthis\/no\/direction\/backward\/\" height=\"240\" width=\"480\" scrolling=\"no\"  allowfullscreen webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen oallowfullscreen msallowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>If you enjoyed this episode and want to support my mission of breaking bread with creators of the fantastic while letting you eavesdrop, there are several ways you can help bring this podcast to the attention of potential new listeners looking for science fiction, fantasy, and horror ear candy. <\/p>\n<p>You could <a href=\"https:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/eating-the-fantastic\/id1083737796\">rate Eating the Fantastic on iTunes<\/a>  and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/eatingthefantastic\/?fref=ts\">like it on Facebook<\/a>. Also&#8212;you could tell your friends about the show  by sending them a link to your favorite episode and letting them know what I\u2019m doing here.<\/p>\n<p>But if you\u2019d like to become even more involved, there are three more substantial ways you can support this show. There are expenses such as equipment, bandwidth, gas,  parking, shuttling guests between hotels and convention centers to and from restaurants, and, of course, the meals which relax my guests and loosen their tongues for you, so anything you feel up to sending my way to help cover those and other associated costs would be most appreciated.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\nYou could make a small recurring monthly donation over at  <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/eatingthefantastic\">Patreon<\/a>, where there are various perks involved depending on your level of support, such as access to a patrons-only blog, getting a shout-out on the show, stickers, postcards, and more.<\/p>\n<p>Or if an ongoing level of commitment\u2019s not for you, or if Patreon\u2019s just not your thing, then consider tossing a couple of bucks in the tip jar instead and making a one-time donation of any size via <a href=\"https:\/\/www.paypal.me\/eatingthefantastic\">Paypal.me<\/a>. <\/p>\n<p>Or you could head on over to <a href=\"https:\/\/ko-fi.com\/eatingthefantastic\">https:\/\/ko-fi.com\/eatingthefantastic<\/a> and send me the funds to cover the cost of a cup of coffee.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>I hope you&#8217;ll join me next episode, when&#8212;assuming I survive Readercon, which begins tomorrow&#8212;I&#8217;ll bring you Ellen Klages&#8212;who won the Nebula Award in 2005 for her novelette, \u201cBasement Magic,\u201d and was a nominee that awards weekend last month for her novella \u201cPassing Strange.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Thanks for listening!<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Join me for lunch at the World Science Fiction Convention. No, not this year\u2019s San Jose Worldcon, which won\u2019t happen until August. Or even last year\u2019s Worldcon in Helsinki. But the 1993 San Francisco Worldcon! Here\u2019s how we\u2019re going to do that &#8230; Late last year, I repurposed a Science Forum I&#8217;d recorded for\u00a0Science Fiction [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[728,826,732,113,849],"class_list":["post-25130","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized","tag-arlan-andrews","tag-charles-sheffield","tag-eating-the-fantastic","tag-geoffrey-landis","tag-gregory-benford"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/25130","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=25130"}],"version-history":[{"count":5,"href":"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/25130\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":25151,"href":"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/25130\/revisions\/25151"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=25130"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=25130"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=25130"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}