{"id":24910,"date":"2018-05-02T08:38:04","date_gmt":"2018-05-02T12:38:04","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/?p=24910"},"modified":"2018-05-02T08:38:04","modified_gmt":"2018-05-02T12:38:04","slug":"share-a-pastrami-sandwich-with-t-e-d-klein-in-episode-65-of-eating-the-fantastic","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/2018\/05\/02\/share-a-pastrami-sandwich-with-t-e-d-klein-in-episode-65-of-eating-the-fantastic\/","title":{"rendered":"Share a pastrami sandwich with T. E. D. Klein in Episode 65 of Eating the Fantastic"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Are you ready to nosh? Then join me for dinner in Manhattan with the great horror writer and editor T. E. D. Klein, whom I\u2019ve known for longer than (gulp!)  a third of a century.<\/p>\n<p>I got to know Ted because he edited <em>The Twilight Zone<\/em> magazine from 1981 until 1985, and in the middle of his run, he was foolish enough to publish a story by me, &#8220;Fifth Dimension,&#8221; in the March-April 1983 issue. Which, as it was only my eighth published story, and my highest profile market up until then, changed my life. But his effect on the horror field has been more than merely personal, and more than only as an editor, because as a writer,  his impact was just as great, if not greater.<\/p>\n<p>He\u2019s been a seven-time nominee for the World Fantasy Award, starting in 1975 with his first published story, \u201cThe Events at Poroth Farm,\u201d and his novella &#8220;Nadelman&#8217;s God&#8221; <em>won<\/em> the World Fantasy Award in 1986. Stephen King once called his 1984 novel <em>The Ceremonies<\/em>, &#8220;the most exciting novel in the field to come along since Straub&#8217;s <em>Ghost Story<\/em>.&#8221;\u00a0All this and more resulted in Klein being given the World Horror Convention&#8217;s Grand Master Award in 2012.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Our dinner last Thursday night was at a spot he suggested&#8212;<a href=\"http:\/\/www.fineandschapiro.com\">Fine &#038; Schapiro<\/a>, an old-school NYC Kosher deli which has been serving pastrami sandwiches on West 72nd Street since 1927. Ninety-one years later, we took our seats in a booth in the back&#8212;and saved a seat for you.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/TedKleinEatingtheFantastic.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/TedKleinEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-24912\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/TedKleinEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/TedKleinEatingtheFantastic-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/TedKleinEatingtheFantastic-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/TedKleinEatingtheFantastic-1024x1024.jpg 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>We discussed what he hated most about editing <em>The Twilight Zone<\/em> magazine, how he ended up scripting the screenplay for &#8220;the worst movie Dario Argento ever made,&#8221; what eldritch action he took after buying a letter written by H. P. Lovecraft, which movie monster gave him the most nightmares, what he&#8217;ll likely title his future autobiography, why he feels cheated by most horror movies, the secret origin of the T. E. D. Klein byline, his parents&#8217; friendship with (and the nickname they gave to) Stan Lee and his wife, what he learned (and what he didn&#8217;t) when taught by Anthony Burgess, the bittersweet autograph he once obtained from John Updike, whether we&#8217;re likely to see his long-awaited novel <em>Nighttown<\/em> any time soon, and much more.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/eatingthefantastic\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/PatreonWidget2-300x59.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"59\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-23795\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/PatreonWidget2-300x59.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/PatreonWidget2.jpg 522w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Here\u2019s how you dig into the stuffed derma with us&#8212;<!--more--><\/p>\n<p>1) Subscribe over at  <a href=\"https:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/eating-the-fantastic\/id1083737796\">the iTunes store<\/a>&#8212;and why not check out some of the 64 other always free episodes while you&#8217;re at it?<\/p>\n<p>2) Use the RSS feed of <a href=\"http:\/\/eatingthefantastic.libsyn.com\/rss\">http:\/\/eatingthefantastic.libsyn.com\/rss<\/a> to listen to the episode on any device of your choosing.<\/p>\n<p>3) Or give the episode a listen via the embed below.<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" style=\"border: none\" src=\"\/\/html5-player.libsyn.com\/embed\/episode\/id\/6547268\/height\/240\/width\/480\/theme\/legacy\/autonext\/no\/thumbnail\/yes\/autoplay\/no\/preload\/no\/no_addthis\/no\/direction\/backward\/\" height=\"240\" width=\"480\" scrolling=\"no\"  allowfullscreen webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen oallowfullscreen msallowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>Here&#8217;s what Ted and I shared that night in NYC&#8212;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Stuffed Derma<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/FineandSchapiroStuffedDerma.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/FineandSchapiroStuffedDerma-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-24913\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/FineandSchapiroStuffedDerma-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/FineandSchapiroStuffedDerma-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/FineandSchapiroStuffedDerma-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/FineandSchapiroStuffedDerma-1024x1024.jpg 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Pastrami Sandwich<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/FineandSchapiroPastramiSandwich.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/FineandSchapiroPastramiSandwich-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-24914\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/FineandSchapiroPastramiSandwich-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/FineandSchapiroPastramiSandwich-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/FineandSchapiroPastramiSandwich-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/FineandSchapiroPastramiSandwich-1024x1024.jpg 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Potato Pancake<\/strong><br \/>\n<em>missing: the open-faced brisket sandwich which went with it<\/em><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/FineandSchapiroPotatoPancake.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/FineandSchapiroPotatoPancake-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-24915\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/FineandSchapiroPotatoPancake-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/FineandSchapiroPotatoPancake-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/FineandSchapiroPotatoPancake-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/FineandSchapiroPotatoPancake-1024x1024.jpg 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Dessert Cookies<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/FineandSchapiroCookies.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/FineandSchapiroCookies-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-24916\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/FineandSchapiroCookies-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/FineandSchapiroCookies-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/FineandSchapiroCookies-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/FineandSchapiroCookies-1024x1024.jpg 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>I hope you&#8217;ll join me next episode, when I invade the annual Scares That Care charity telethon with take-out to chat with  Mary SanGiovanni, author of the Hollower trilogy, the first volume of which was nominated for the Bram Stoker Award. But until then&#8212;<\/p>\n<p>If you enjoy this episode and want to support my mission of breaking bread with creators of the fantastic while letting you take a seat at the table, there are several ways you can help&#8212;<\/p>\n<p>One easy way is to <a href=\"https:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/eating-the-fantastic\/id1083737796\">rate Eating the Fantastic on iTunes<\/a>  and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/eatingthefantastic\/?fref=ts\">like it on Facebook<\/a>, because that will help bring this podcast to the attention of potential new listeners who are looking for science fiction, fantasy, and horror ear candy.<\/p>\n<p>Also&#8212;you could tell your friends about the show  by sending them a link to your favorite episode and letting them know what I\u2019m doing here.<\/p>\n<p>But if you\u2019d like to become even more involved, there are three more substantial ways you can support this show. There are expenses such as equipment, bandwidth, parking, the shuttling of guests between hotels and convention centers to and from restaurants, and, yes, the meals which loosen the tongues of those guests, so any monetary contribution you feel up to sending my way to help cover those and other associated costs would be most appreciated.<\/p>\n<p>You could make a small recurring monthly donation over at  <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/eatingthefantastic\">Patreon<\/a>, where there are various perks involved depending on your level of support, such as access to a patrons-only blog, getting a shout-out on the show, stickers, postcards, and more.<\/p>\n<p>Or if an ongoing level of commitment\u2019s not for you, or if Patreon\u2019s just not your thing, then consider tossing a couple of bucks in the tip jar instead and making a one-time donation of any size via <a href=\"https:\/\/www.paypal.me\/eatingthefantastic\">Paypal.me<\/a>. <\/p>\n<p>Or you could head on over to <a href=\"https:\/\/ko-fi.com\/eatingthefantastic\">https:\/\/ko-fi.com\/eatingthefantastic<\/a> and send me the funds to cover the cost of a cup of coffee&#8212;because every little bit helps.<\/p>\n<p>Thanks for listening!<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Are you ready to nosh? 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