{"id":24727,"date":"2018-03-09T08:44:33","date_gmt":"2018-03-09T13:44:33","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/?p=24727"},"modified":"2018-03-09T08:44:33","modified_gmt":"2018-03-09T13:44:33","slug":"polish-off-a-persian-dinner-with-david-mack-in-episode-61-of-eating-the-fantastic","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/2018\/03\/09\/polish-off-a-persian-dinner-with-david-mack-in-episode-61-of-eating-the-fantastic\/","title":{"rendered":"Polish off a Persian dinner with David Mack in Episode 61 of Eating the Fantastic"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"http:\/\/davidmack.pro\">David Mack<\/a> and I have known each other for nearly two decades, ever since I started working with him at the Syfy Channel (though back then it was the SCI FI Channel). But since he worked in the Rockefeller Center office and I was a remote employee, we never got to have the lunches two coworkers would usually have had, so I&#8217;m glad we were able to have a long, leisurely meal together recently when he was in the Baltimore area attending the annual <a href=\"http:\/\/www.farpointcon.com\">Farpoint<\/a> convention. <\/p>\n<p>David&#8217;s  written more than 30 novels, including the <em>Star Trek Destiny<\/em> and <em>Cold Equations<\/em> trilogies. He was also responsible for several episodes of <em>Star Trek: Deep Space Nine<\/em>. His newest novel  is <em>The Midnight Front<\/em>, a World War II-era epic fantasy which is the first book in the Dark Arts series of secret-history novels.<\/p>\n<p>The venue for our dinner was <a href=\"https:\/\/www.orchardmarketandcafe.com\">Orchard Market and Cafe<\/a>, a wonderful Persian restaurant recommended by recent guest of the show <a href=\"http:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/2018\/02\/09\/scarf-down-szechuan-crispy-beef-with-norman-prentiss-in-episode-59-of-eating-the-fantastic\/\">Norman Prentiss<\/a>. Norman had told me that the Chicken Fesenjune was one of his favorite things in the whole world, and now that I&#8217;ve been there, I can can tell you&#8212;he had good reason to say that. Believe me, the food there was wonderful, and I&#8217;ll be going back whenever I can.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/02\/DavidMackEatingtheFantastic.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/02\/DavidMackEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-24728\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/02\/DavidMackEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/02\/DavidMackEatingtheFantastic-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/02\/DavidMackEatingtheFantastic-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/02\/DavidMackEatingtheFantastic-1024x1024.jpg 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>David and I discussed the weird ways his life entwined with the famed comic book artist who shares his name, how worrying about the details of <em>Star Trek<\/em> canon helped him when it came time to unravel the secret history of WWII, the way  a near-death experience led to him working for the Syfy Channel, why it was so important for necromancers to pay a heavy price for the magic they choose to wield in his new novel <em>The Midnight Front<\/em>, how <em>not<\/em> making a pitch to a book editor resulted in him selling TV scripts to <em>Star Trek<\/em>, his unabashed love for the Beat author Richard Brautigan, the reason that  after 27 <em>Trek<\/em> novels and a ton of other tie-in work he&#8217;s chosen to publish his non-franchise breakout book <em>now<\/em>, and much more.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/eatingthefantastic\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/PatreonWidget2-300x59.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"59\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-23795\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/PatreonWidget2-300x59.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/PatreonWidget2.jpg 522w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Here\u2019s how you can share some beef tongue with us&#8212;<!--more--><\/p>\n<p>1) Subscribe over at  <a href=\"https:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/eating-the-fantastic\/id1083737796\">the iTunes store<\/a>,  where you&#8217;ll also find the show&#8217;s 60 previous episodes.<\/p>\n<p>2) Use the RSS feed of <a href=\"http:\/\/eatingthefantastic.libsyn.com\/rss\">http:\/\/eatingthefantastic.libsyn.com\/rss<\/a> and download the episode to any device of your choosing.<\/p>\n<p>3) Or check out the show right here right now via the embed below.<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" style=\"border: none\" src=\"\/\/html5-player.libsyn.com\/embed\/episode\/id\/6346703\/height\/240\/width\/480\/theme\/legacy\/autonext\/no\/thumbnail\/yes\/autoplay\/no\/preload\/no\/no_addthis\/no\/direction\/backward\/\" height=\"240\" width=\"480\" scrolling=\"no\"  allowfullscreen webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen oallowfullscreen msallowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>Here&#8217;s  what David  and I ate at Orchard Market and Cafe&#8212;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Haleem Bademjune <\/strong><br \/>\n<em>eggplant &#038; beans with sour cream, garlic, walnuts &#038; spices<\/em><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/02\/HaleemBademjuneOrchardMarket.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/02\/HaleemBademjuneOrchardMarket-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-24734\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/02\/HaleemBademjuneOrchardMarket-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/02\/HaleemBademjuneOrchardMarket-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/02\/HaleemBademjuneOrchardMarket-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/02\/HaleemBademjuneOrchardMarket-1024x1024.jpg 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Mushroom Zaban<\/strong><br \/>\n<em>curried poached beef tongue, sauteed with onions &#038; portobello mushrooms<\/em><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/02\/MushroomZabanOrchardMarket.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/02\/MushroomZabanOrchardMarket-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-24735\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/02\/MushroomZabanOrchardMarket-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/02\/MushroomZabanOrchardMarket-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/02\/MushroomZabanOrchardMarket-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/02\/MushroomZabanOrchardMarket-1024x1024.jpg 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Chicken Fesenjune <\/strong><br \/>\n<em>poached breast of chicken in a sweet and tart walnut pomegranate sauce<\/em><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/03\/ChickenFesenjuneOrchardMarket.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/03\/ChickenFesenjuneOrchardMarket-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-24838\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/03\/ChickenFesenjuneOrchardMarket-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/03\/ChickenFesenjuneOrchardMarket-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/03\/ChickenFesenjuneOrchardMarket-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/03\/ChickenFesenjuneOrchardMarket-1024x1024.jpg 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Seafood Paella<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/02\/SeafoodPaellaOrchardMarket.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/02\/SeafoodPaellaOrchardMarket-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-24732\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/02\/SeafoodPaellaOrchardMarket-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/02\/SeafoodPaellaOrchardMarket-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/02\/SeafoodPaellaOrchardMarket-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/02\/SeafoodPaellaOrchardMarket-1024x1024.jpg 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Baklava<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/02\/BaklavaOrchardMarket.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/02\/BaklavaOrchardMarket-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-24730\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/02\/BaklavaOrchardMarket-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/02\/BaklavaOrchardMarket-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/02\/BaklavaOrchardMarket-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/02\/BaklavaOrchardMarket-1024x1024.jpg 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Chocolate cake<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/02\/ChocolateCakeOrchardMarket.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/02\/ChocolateCakeOrchardMarket-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-24731\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/02\/ChocolateCakeOrchardMarket-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/02\/ChocolateCakeOrchardMarket-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/02\/ChocolateCakeOrchardMarket-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/02\/ChocolateCakeOrchardMarket-1024x1024.jpg 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Still hungry? Then I hope you&#8217;ll join me  two weeks from now when when I sit down for an Italian lunch with Paul Di Filippo, who\u2019s published more than than 200 short stories in such magazines as <em>Asimov&#8217;s Science Fiction<\/em>, <em>The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction<\/em>, <em>Interzone<\/em>, and many more.<\/p>\n<p>If you enjoyed this episode and would like  to support my mission to break bread with creators of the fantastic while letting you take a seat at the table, there are several ways you can help&#8212;<\/p>\n<p>First of all&#8212;tell your friends about it! There&#8217;s no better advertisement than word of mouth.  If you know anyone you think might like the show but you don\u2019t believe has heard of it yet, send them a link and share what I\u2019m doing here.<\/p>\n<p>You could also  <a href=\"https:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/eating-the-fantastic\/id1083737796\">rate Eating the Fantastic on iTunes<\/a>  and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/eatingthefantastic\/?fref=ts\">like it on Facebook<\/a>, since the more ratings and likes the show gets, the more likely it is online analytics will bring this podcast to the attention of potential new listeners.<\/p>\n<p>But if you\u2019d like to become even more involved, there are three more substantial ways you can support this show. I have  expenses such as equipment, bandwidth, parking, the shuttling of guests between hotels and convention centers to and from restaurants, the gas I put in my car if I&#8217;m driving them myself, and, yes, the meals which loosen the tongues of those guests, so any monetary contribution you feel up to sending my way to help cover those and other associated costs would be appreciated.<\/p>\n<p>To do this, you could&#8212;<\/p>\n<p>1) Make a small recurring monthly donation over at  <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/eatingthefantastic\">Patreon<\/a>, where there are various perks involved depending on your level of support, such as access to a patrons-only blog, getting a shout-out on the show, stickers, postcards, and more.<\/p>\n<p>2) If an ongoing level of commitment\u2019s not for you, or if Patreon\u2019s just not your thing, then consider tossing a couple of bucks in the tip jar instead and making a one-time donation of any size via <a href=\"https:\/\/www.paypal.me\/eatingthefantastic\">Paypal.me<\/a>. <\/p>\n<p>3) And I recently added a <em>new<\/em> way you can support the show \u2014 by buying me a cup of coffee. Head on over to <a href=\"https:\/\/ko-fi.com\/eatingthefantastic\">https:\/\/ko-fi.com\/eatingthefantastic<\/a> and you can send me the funds to cover the cost of a cup of joe&#8212;though to tell you the truth, it\u2019ll more likely go toward the cost of a dessert for one of my guests.<\/p>\n<p>Thanks for your support. And thanks for listening!<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>David Mack and I have known each other for nearly two decades, ever since I started working with him at the Syfy Channel (though back then it was the SCI FI Channel). 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