{"id":24109,"date":"2017-12-01T09:16:30","date_gmt":"2017-12-01T14:16:30","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/?p=24109"},"modified":"2017-12-01T09:16:30","modified_gmt":"2017-12-01T14:16:30","slug":"join-comics-legend-marv-wolfman-for-gelato-in-episode-54-of-eating-the-fantastic","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/2017\/12\/01\/join-comics-legend-marv-wolfman-for-gelato-in-episode-54-of-eating-the-fantastic\/","title":{"rendered":"Join comics legend Marv Wolfman for gelato in Episode 54 of Eating the Fantastic"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>As I prepared to lunch with this episode&#8217;s guest, I was startled to realize I&#8217;d last interviewed him in 1974&#8212;43 years ago! Back then, I was an assistant editor in the Marvel Bullpen, while Marv Wolfman was (among many other things) scripting <em>Tomb of Dracula<\/em> and editing <em>Crazy<\/em> magazine, not yet having ascended to the role of Editor-in-Chief. And it was my job to report on his doings for the readers of <em>F.O.O.M.<\/em>, Marvel&#8217;s official fan magazine.<\/p>\n<p>Over the course of his career, Marv did a whole lot more than what I talked with him about back then. He went on to script the adventures of many legacy characters for both Marvel and DC, including the Fantastic Four, Spider-Man, Superman, and Green Lantern, and during that time he also co-created the characters of Blade, Bullseye, Destiny, Nova, and many others. He wrote the <em>Teen Titans<\/em> comic for 16 years. There&#8217;s even more to Marv than that, of course, as  you&#8217;ll find out  when you give this episode a listen.<\/p>\n<p>Our lunch took place on the Sunday of the recent Baltimore Comic-Con when we fled the convention enter for <a href=\"http:\/\/la-tavola.com\">La Tavola<\/a> restaurant in the heart of Little Italy.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/09\/MarvWolfmanEatingtheFantastic.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/09\/MarvWolfmanEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-24111\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/09\/MarvWolfmanEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/09\/MarvWolfmanEatingtheFantastic-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/09\/MarvWolfmanEatingtheFantastic-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/09\/MarvWolfmanEatingtheFantastic-1024x1024.jpg 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>We discussed his horrifying early job as a DC Comics intern destroying (and in some cases rescuing) original art, why he loves the science fiction writer Alfred Bester, how his writing back when he started out was a  blend of John Broome and Stan Lee, what he learned from binge-reading 181 issues of <em>Spider-Man<\/em> before starting to script it himself, what it was like returning to DC after his years at Marvel, why he felt he could write <em>Tomb of Dracula<\/em> even though when he was handed the assignment he&#8217;d never read the Bram Stoker novel or seen any of the movies, his secret to making the Teen Titans seem like actual teens, why he owes his career to Gene Colan,  and much, more.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/eatingthefantastic\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/PatreonWidget2-300x59.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"59\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-23795\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/PatreonWidget2-300x59.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/PatreonWidget2.jpg 522w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Here\u2019s how you can share some lasagna with us&#8212;<!--more--><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/09\/MarvWolfmanScottEdelmanEatingtheFantastic.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/09\/MarvWolfmanScottEdelmanEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-24112\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/09\/MarvWolfmanScottEdelmanEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/09\/MarvWolfmanScottEdelmanEatingtheFantastic-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/09\/MarvWolfmanScottEdelmanEatingtheFantastic-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/09\/MarvWolfmanScottEdelmanEatingtheFantastic-1024x1024.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/09\/MarvWolfmanScottEdelmanEatingtheFantastic.jpg 1404w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>1) Head on over to  <a href=\"https:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/eating-the-fantastic\/id1083737796\">the iTunes store<\/a>,  where you can also subscribe&#8212;and find all 53 previous episodes as well.<\/p>\n<p>2) Download the episode to the device of your choosing via the show&#8217;s RSS feed of <a href=\"http:\/\/eatingthefantastic.libsyn.com\/rss\">http:\/\/eatingthefantastic.libsyn.com\/rss<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>3) Or simply use the this embed to listen here without leaving this page.<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" style=\"border: none\" src=\"\/\/html5-player.libsyn.com\/embed\/episode\/id\/5999471\/height\/240\/width\/480\/theme\/legacy\/autonext\/no\/thumbnail\/yes\/autoplay\/no\/preload\/no\/no_addthis\/no\/direction\/backward\/\" height=\"240\" width=\"480\" scrolling=\"no\"  allowfullscreen webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen oallowfullscreen msallowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>You&#8217;ll discover, as you listen, that I began by baffling Marv in repeating back to him something he&#8217;d said to me during the aforementioned long-ago interview&#8212;his claim that Marvel\u2019s black-and-white books had  always been meant to appear in color, were in fact sent to the printer in color, but that the printer erroneously put them out in black-and-white. He was pulling my leg in 1974 of course, and as you listen, you&#8217;ll see I returned the favor in 2017.<\/p>\n<p>You can read that early interview for yourself right here.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/11\/MarvWolfmanFOOM1975.jpeg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/11\/MarvWolfmanFOOM1975-214x300.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"214\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-24434\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/11\/MarvWolfmanFOOM1975-214x300.jpeg 214w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/11\/MarvWolfmanFOOM1975-768x1074.jpeg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/11\/MarvWolfmanFOOM1975-732x1024.jpeg 732w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/11\/MarvWolfmanFOOM1975.jpeg 1111w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 214px) 100vw, 214px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>And if you want to know what we looked like back when that interview took place, check out this photo of us from around the same time. That&#8217;s Marv on the far left, followed by the late Len Wein, then me with a shepherd&#8217;s crook (and yes, I did wander NYC with one of those back then&#8212;hey, it was the &#8217;70s), and finally artist Jim Craig.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/11\/MarvScottLenJimCraig.jpeg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/11\/MarvScottLenJimCraig-300x241.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"241\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-24436\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/11\/MarvScottLenJimCraig-300x241.jpeg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/11\/MarvScottLenJimCraig-768x616.jpeg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/11\/MarvScottLenJimCraig-1024x822.jpeg 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>One of the things I questioned Marv about over lunch was his appearance on a 1969 Worldcon panel during which he and Harry Harrison discussed comics. Would you like to hear that panel? Well, you can!<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" width=\"462\" height=\"260\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/A3kBl7p_YdQ?rel=0\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>And now&#8212;here&#8217;s what we ate during that sunny afternoon in Little Italy&#8212;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Bread and Olive Oil<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/LaTavolaBreadEatingtheFantastic.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/LaTavolaBreadEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-24209\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/LaTavolaBreadEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/LaTavolaBreadEatingtheFantastic-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/LaTavolaBreadEatingtheFantastic-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/LaTavolaBreadEatingtheFantastic-1024x1024.jpg 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Marv&#8217;s Crab Soup<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/LaTavolaSoupEatingtheFantastic.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/LaTavolaSoupEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-24210\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/LaTavolaSoupEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/LaTavolaSoupEatingtheFantastic-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/LaTavolaSoupEatingtheFantastic-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/LaTavolaSoupEatingtheFantastic-1024x1024.jpg 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>My Frito Misto<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/LaTavolaFrittoMistoEatingtheFantastic.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/LaTavolaFrittoMistoEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-24208\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/LaTavolaFrittoMistoEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/LaTavolaFrittoMistoEatingtheFantastic-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/LaTavolaFrittoMistoEatingtheFantastic-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/LaTavolaFrittoMistoEatingtheFantastic-1024x1024.jpg 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Marv&#8217;s Lasagna<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/LaTavolaLasagnaEatingtheFantastic.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/LaTavolaLasagnaEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-24211\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/LaTavolaLasagnaEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/LaTavolaLasagnaEatingtheFantastic-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/LaTavolaLasagnaEatingtheFantastic-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/LaTavolaLasagnaEatingtheFantastic-1024x1024.jpg 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>My Saltimbocca alla Romana<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/LaTavolaVealEatingtheFantastic.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/LaTavolaVealEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-24212\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/LaTavolaVealEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/LaTavolaVealEatingtheFantastic-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/LaTavolaVealEatingtheFantastic-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/LaTavolaVealEatingtheFantastic-1024x1024.jpg 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>My Canolli<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/LaTavolaCanolliEatingtheFantastic.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/LaTavolaCanolliEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-24213\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/LaTavolaCanolliEatingtheFantastic-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/LaTavolaCanolliEatingtheFantastic-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/LaTavolaCanolliEatingtheFantastic-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/LaTavolaCanolliEatingtheFantastic-1024x1024.jpg 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>For Marv&#8217;s dessert of chocolate, vanilla, and espresso gelato, look no further than in his hands in the photo up top.<\/p>\n<p>If after all that, you&#8217;re still  hungry for more, come back in two weeks when the guest will be Irene Gallo&#8212;the Associate Publisher and Creative Director of Tor and Tor.com, who with her art direction makes you fall in love even more with the fiction you love to read.<\/p>\n<p>And remember&#8212;if that two-week wait leaves you ravenous, you can join with others to work toward shortening that gap by making a small recurring monthly donation (with perks for all patrons) over at   <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/eatingthefantastic\">Patreon<\/a>. I have expenses in pulling the show together, some of which, like equipment and bandwidth, occur for all podcasts, but others which are due to this unique format, such as scooping up my guests and shuttling them between hotels or convention centers and restaurants, plus the meals themselves which relax my guests and help loosen their tongues. You can help subsidize those and other associated costs&#8212;and perhaps even help me grow to where I can afford to deliver more frequent episodes. <\/p>\n<p>If that level of commitment&#8217;s not for you, consider  making a one-time donation of any size, no matter how small, via <a href=\"https:\/\/www.paypal.me\/eatingthefantastic\">Paypal.me<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Think of either of these as being like helping to buy dessert for one of my guests!<\/p>\n<p>Also, if you have a moment, please rate the show <a href=\"https:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/eating-the-fantastic\/id1083737796?mt=2\">on iTunes<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/eatingthefantastic\/?fref=ts\">like us on Facebook<\/a>,  which will help bring it to the attention of potential new listeners. People who understand these things far better than I do tell me that the more ratings and likes the show gets the more the show will pop up when people seeking podcasts  search  online, so your help would be appreciated.<\/p>\n<p>Thanks for listening!<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>As I prepared to lunch with this episode&#8217;s guest, I was startled to realize I&#8217;d last interviewed him in 1974&#8212;43 years ago! Back then, I was an assistant editor in the Marvel Bullpen, while Marv Wolfman was (among many other things) scripting Tomb of Dracula and editing Crazy magazine, not yet having ascended to the [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[18,732,49,60],"class_list":["post-24109","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized","tag-comics","tag-eating-the-fantastic","tag-food","tag-marv-wolfman"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/24109","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=24109"}],"version-history":[{"count":5,"href":"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/24109\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":24501,"href":"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/24109\/revisions\/24501"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=24109"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=24109"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.scottedelman.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=24109"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}