This year’s Nebula Awards conference has finally ended here at Eating the Fantastic, following my other conversations captured at that event with William Shunn, J. Michael Straczynski, Jordan Kurella, and Rhondi Salsitz.

My guest this time around is Charlie Jane Anders, who’s won the Hugo, Nebula, Sturgeon, Lambda Literary, Crawford and Locus Awards. The final volume of her Unstoppable trilogy, Promises Stronger Than Darkness (the first two were Victories Greater Than Death and Dreams Bigger Than Heartbreak), was published just shortly before our chat. Her 2016 novel, All the Birds in the Sky, won the Nebula, Locus and Crawford awards. Other books include the Locus Award-winning short story collection Even Greater Mistakes, and the Hugo Award-winning And Never Say You Can’t Survive, about how to use creative writing to get through hard times. Her novelette “Six Months, Three Days” won a Hugo Award, and her short story “Don’t Press Charges and I Won’t Sue” won a Theodore Sturgeon Award.

Charlie Jane is also the co-creator of the transgender mutant hero Escapade, who was introduced in Marvel Voices: Pride 2022, and has been appearing in the long-running comic New Mutants, with Charlie Jane writing. She was a founding editor of io9.com, a blog about science fiction and futurism, and went on to become its editor-in-chief. With former guest of this podcast Annalee Newitz, Charlie Jane co-hosts a podcast about the meaning of science fiction called Our Opinions Are Correct.

We discussed how her childhood fantasy of aliens whisking her away from Earth gave birth to her Unstoppable trilogy, the way writing a YA meant she had to completely change the way she writes, the challenges of bringing a large cast of characters to life while giving them their own inner lives, why she has problems with Clarke’s Third Law but was willing to roll with it for her new trilogy, the difficulties of still being at work on the third book of a trilogy when the first was already in the hands of readers, how growing as a writer means embracing the messiness of the process, her reaction to being called “this generation’s Le Guin,” what she had to learn to be able to write comics, and so much more.

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Here’s what we ate at Kareem’s Falafel —

Scott’s “Plant-based Fat Kid”
falafel, hummus, quinoa tabouli,
garlic, and caramelized onions, babaganoush & grape leaves

Charlie Jane’s Sautéed steak
with onions, tomatoes, garlic, and rice

Baklava

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Coming up two weeks from today you’ll be able to eavesdrop on the first of my meals which took place in Pittsburgh during StokerCon — lunch with Howard Bender, who I met 49 years ago in 1974, the year we both began working at Marvel Comics. He’s drawn Superman stories in Action Comics, Dial H for Hero stories published in The New Adventures of Superboy, a number of projects for Archie Comics, and is one of the nicest people I know. I hope you’ll join us.

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