2023 is almost over, but before the year ends, surely you have room for one more Eating the Fantastic meal — especially since it’s at what Calvin Trillin once called “the single best restaurant in the world.” Join me at Arthur Bryant’s BBQ for the second conversation coming to you from the Kansas City World Fantasy Convention, following last episode’s dinner with Nina Kiriki Hoffman.

My guest this time around is Pat Murphy, who won the Nebula Award for her 1986 novel The Falling Woman, plus a second Nebula the same year for her novelette, “Rachel in Love.” She also won the Philip K. Dick Award for her 1990 short story collection Points of Departure, and the World Fantasy Award for her 1990 novella, Bones. For more than 20 years, she  and Paul Doherty cowrote the recurring Science column in the Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction. She also co-founded the James Tiptree, Jr. Award in 1991. And that’s just the tip of the iceberg.

I’ve known Pat for a loooong time, and I can tell you exactly how long — we met on September 4, 1980, more than 43 years prior to the conversation you’re about to hear. If you want to learn exactly how and why I can pinpoint that date, well, the episode will reveal all.

We discussed the part of Robert A. Heinlein’s famed rules of writing with which she disagrees, why she felt the need to attend the Clarion writing workshop even after having made several sales to major pro markets, the occasional difficulties in decoding what an editor is truly trying to tell you, the importance of never giving up your day jobs, why she can’t read Dylan Thomas when she’s working on a novel, the differences between the infighting we’ve seen in the science fiction vs. literary fields, what we perceive as our personal writing flaws, a Clarion critiquing mystery I’ve been attempting to solve since 1979, the science fiction connection which launched her career at the Exploratorium, and much more.

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Here’s what loosened our tongues over at Arthur Bryant’s BBQ —

Onion Rings

Pat’s Pulled Pork Sandwich

Scott’s Burnt Ends Sandwich

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Coming up next — Izzy Wasserstein, author of the marvelous short story collection All the Hometowns You Can’t Stay Away From (a Lambda Literary Award finalist), and the forthcoming novella These Fragile Graces, This Fugitive Heart.

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